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Mini Retro Day at Okemo

post #1 of 21
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 I met up early at the base lodge with Rossi Smash, TeleBetty and Tog. We had a slight theme of old/new. Both RS and I brought ond and new versions of the same graphics, Rossi brought the original K2 Extreme 8.3 and the new Extreme. I brought my yellow/blue The Ski and my NS 102 Prototype with The Ski graphics. 

 

 

We took off to the lifts at 9:00 and at 9:30 we hooked up with my in laws and The SkiDiva and Mr. Diva and skied with them until 11:00 or so. RS and I both skis the old skis in the AM and as the snow got gradually softer we swiched to the modern counterparts. I had a blast skiing the old skis and really am surprised how well a 30 year old ski still performed.

 

 

So, there are no pictures of the skis in action, but we had a blast of a time, too bad more people didn't join us. 

post #2 of 21

They skied those uh....'things' pretty well I must say! Phil was on 185's - a length which at the time they were made would have caused as much 'interest' as the current fat/narrow arguments.

Actually, they had quite a few others today showing up with that gear though none with the spiffy blue pants that Phil was sporting.

 

One guy I talked to was on some sort of K2 late 90's slalom ski. (I believe Phil and Rossi would have scoffed at it's non 'classical' lineage. You know, like the one some Model T Fords must have had.  Or the Yugo...)  I asked him,  "Are you here for retro d...no sorry, never mind."

 

In general I never tell people anymore they should try "the new skis". However if questioned I will discuss the issue. (Maybe in the future I'll tell them to come ask over here. Though that would beg the question if they had a computer...or knew that people rarely used mainframes anymore...Wait, Phil and Rossi have computers...)

 

Looking at my "modern" skis he told me about how he really liked how well his [straight] skis held on ice and wasn't sure about "those new ones". While my mind was searching for some sort of response...and failing to come up with any 'reference comparison' that would make sense he says, " I guess you don't agree? Well they must do something better!"

"Yes. Well...they go straight better. Like I used to love going straight down Wardance at the end of the day. It's just not the same on these 13 meter radius 170cm long skis like it was on those 205cm 60 - 80 meter radius skis. You might wan...no I can't recommend that. Thing is we discovered how much fun turning can be. That you should try."

"Do they have them at the rental shop?"

"Yes, they do have them!"

 

Conditions really were fabulous in the afternoon with warm temps and soft spring like snow. Bumps were usually pretty soft and forgiving. Flatter trails in the sun could be problematic with sudden deacceleration. I would have liked to have been on something fatter for slush slicing but somehow I managed and enjoyed the thrill of turns in soft piles of icy snow.

 

I think we should have another retro day.  I'll bring out the Volkl P20 slaloms. Maybe we could get a bunch of people to pay a small fee for the use of one of Rossi's 100pair of skis. The fee could go to stone grinding the base. Hmmm...not sure Rossi would go for 'others' on his skis. (You know, the ones he's safeguarding for humanity.  Kind of like Bill Gate's project to store every known crop seed type in a bunker in Norway.) No, there would probably be more of a chance of Dick Cheney going to an Indigo Girls concert.

 

Anyway, we need to have a full scale retro day!

post #3 of 21

We had a great day I still feel more comfortable on the old skis than the new ones, at least until it gets really soft and piled up. They have great edge hold and turn just fine thank you. AND they actually track in a striaght line instead of 'dancing' under you if they are not on edge.

 

Tog, you better get to the landfill and find some proper skis for the NEXT retro day. I see you on some 207 GS skis from the 80's....

 

TeleBetty  said the most entertaining part of the day was listening to Philpug and I having some gear talk over a cold bear in the sun after the last run....both her and Tog were just rolling their eyes.

 

We need more people next time, so grab those skis from the basement and show them a little love.

 

I did spot a pair of Dynastar S9's.......I need a pair of those.....

post #4 of 21
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It was indeed a great day. I had a fantastic time bashing bumps with Tog and RS, gotta love seeded zipperline bumps. 

post #5 of 21

 

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TeleBetty  said the most entertaining part of the day was listening to Philpug and I having some gear talk over a cold bear in the sun after the last run....both her and Tog were just rolling their eyes.

 

We need more people next time, so grab those skis from the basement and show them a little love.

I would say it was highly entertaining. It would be difficult to recreate the dialog between Phil and Rossi.  Essentially it would take hours to create, and I just don't have the 'material' down so I'd need consultants - gee guess who?  Basically, it's almost anything from "that" era - skis, boots, bindings, even poles - though those apparently aren't really 'worthy' of collecting.  The back and forth of model numbers and then sub models to those models then the next model numbers and variations on those models is quite staggering actually.  Probably the military could develop Phil and Rossi into some sort of 'code talkers' because well, I doubt many others could understand it.

 

It goes something like this:

[note all inaccuracies in model #'s are my fault- I'm just making up stuff. They got them right- trust me, some things you just know!]

 

-[me] Hey Rossi, what's you're favorite ski of the '70's?

-Hmmm....well you'd really have to split that into three groups.[I think it was three] That was a time of massive changes.  [right, I forgot that the 'dark ages' had a lot of different shades of colour. Of course we did burn witches once too]

 You had the early 70's till about '73, then the mid '70s and the late.  Very different and...

 

Some ski gets mentioned here, I think it's a K2 and now Phil comes in and they're discussing models.

-You've got the 244?

-Yeah I've got the early vesion of the 244

-You really need the 255 and the 244 short to round that out.

- Yeah I did just get that foam core VO .

- You know I've got that VO slalom in factory wrapper, unmounted with race room stock, handwritten flex rating.

-[as if this is the Hope Diamond] It's in the wrapper? What's the flex?

...

[note at this point I've been left in the dust, they're not even interested in the question, just the models and they've hit the turbo here]

- I've got that with the NT17

- That was good. Then they changed that toe roller on the NT27 and started painting it in the 44. The 17 was really the best....

-(me) Is that like a Nevada 77? I had those. [This is like asking if 'Ford' is a car]

-Yeah same thing just the toe was configured for a cam pressure roller with 2 spots lateral... [gibberish]

-This  is why I like the current Look R16's...metal. These will be the Look __ of our day!!

[if you want to get in on the 'classic of our day', ask Rossi, or Phil to find out the model. All I know is that Stonehenge is in England]

 

[here for some reason Phil launches into a brief history of the Soloman __ binding. Maybe it was the barbeque wings]

 

-It started off as the 4421 then they enlarged the toe in the 42, new heel spring in the 44, changed the mount point in the 441, raised the toe height to make the 443, added a heel retainer shim for the 445....

[this goes on for only about a minute but goes through probably 40 iterations.  Really, there's no way to recreate it]

- ....No I won't go through the whole thing, but that's a short history of the Soloman__binding

-[Rossi now] Yeah my mother had that 445 on her Rossi ___

-[me] Dude! You remember the binding model number on your mother's skis? How old were you?

- [as if this is like remembering the street you lived on] Yeah of course! I was 13.

[now they're into Rossi models]

-The 650, yeah maybe the best ever...

-Really liked the look of the Comp better but people who had both liked the regular.

- Yeah that was it. Got to get a pair of those.

- I've got a set. - The Comps though..

-Really you've got to have both...

 

Ok, this goes on endlessly with a few interruptions such as me saying, "What about that Kastle over there?" - This is some black straight Kastle ski on the rack that someone is using as their primary ski.

-[in unison] Nah...that's nothing...

I then attempt to get Rossi to say he would actually uh...cut that ski in half to make furniture or something. - Couldn't do it, even that "nothing" ski he would not consent to using it for other things.

 

See, you've got to go to Retro Day!

post #6 of 21

OMG, what I would have given to ski with that trio!

 

Please tell me Tog challenged you to foosball after you skied.

 

 *Tog, Phil lies......really he does

post #7 of 21

 

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OMG, what I would have given to ski with that trio!

 

Please tell me Tog challenged you to foosball after you skied.

 

 *Tog, Phil lies......really he does

 

Foosball  I'm in

post #8 of 21

Phil - i have been constantly checking the classifieds section hoping that those blue pants make an appearance! 


Please give me right of first refusal before offering them for public sale.    

For anyone not familiar with those pants, please note that the pleated version as Phil is sporting was a coveted and rare option.    Most of us mere mortals have been trying to iron pleats into our ski pants with little or no success!

 

 

post #9 of 21
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Phil - i have been constantly checking the classifieds section hoping that those blue pants make an appearance! 


Please give me right of first refusal before offering them for public sale.    

For anyone not familiar with those pants, please note that the pleated version as Phil is sporting was a coveted and rare option.    Most of us mere mortals have been trying to iron pleats into our ski pants with little or no success!

 

 

You indeed have right of first refusal. I will "pay it forward" to you since they were given to me. 

 

I will be at the Atlanta airport on Tuesday, I will give a "hoot" to you. 

post #10 of 21

Those pants look brand new. If they had some fancy water repellent fabric they'd fit right in today though prob. not with the pleats.  Didn't know about the rarity of the pleats.  He told me what brand they were but I forget.  What are they.

I just want one of those sweaters with the padded arms. - Demetre?  Used to have one, I don't know why they don't make them anymore.

Will Bandanas around the face one day be retro? Right now it's just stupido - esp. when it's 50 degrees on the hill.

 

Trek is terrible at foosball. Maybe she could keep score.

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hey!!!
post #12 of 21

That means you're in right?

post #13 of 21

Tog...how do you think TC would fair at Retro Ski Jeopardy???

 

I'll take 70's bindings for $500 Alex

post #14 of 21

Oh this will be very baaaaaad.

I have a fascination for retro gear, but I don't have a lot of knowledge of retro gear.

There is no way in the world I could match the wits of the likes of you three.

Glean info? Yes!  I can do that! 

post #15 of 21

I am nowhere near the level of those two! Not even close.  There's definitely some here who could compete though.  Lars, cgrildart, Cirque, certainly Bob B. VailSnowPro could be awesome, not sure.

I think I could beat Trek at that though....

post #16 of 21

 

I know enough to know that Phil's glasses don't go with that retro look.
Where are the FP's?
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I know enough to know that Phil's glasses don't go with that retro look.
Where are the FP's?

I sold the red ones..someone offered me a stupid amount of money for them and I couldn't say no. This outfit really needed ISKI sunglasses anyway. 

post #18 of 21

I thought epic bought the red ones.  You sayin' he's stupid?  

post #19 of 21

 

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I sold the red ones..someone offered me a stupid amount of money for them and I couldn't say no. This outfit really needed ISKI sunglasses anyway. 

 

I remember the day my ISKI glassses broke.  I was 14.  I must have tried to glue them back together four times before admitting defeat.  Had to trade up to Vuarnets at some point didn't we?

post #20 of 21

What's an Iski pair of sunglasses?  See Trek, I' do miserablely at Retro Gear Jeopardy

post #21 of 21

Sorry I missed that day. I had ISKI glasses also , but listed after the Vuarnets. 

 

I wonder if someone could bring back the ISKI glasses without Apple sueing them?

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