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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

 I've had boots that I've loved for three years, so they're still virtually new.  I've only skied about 25-30 days on them.


I've read many times that liners eventually pack out and that at that time people realize their boots are too big.  


But I've experienced the opposite.  After having comfortably snug boots for three years, the liners packed out and the boots became TOO SMALL.


So I went to an awesome bootfitter, who showed me that the footbeds that came with the boots, the footbeds that are in the liners, were worn out very bad.  They were flattened, which caused my heels to come out of the back and push the feet forward.  This is why my toes were getting crushed.


So he's fitting me now for new footbeds.  Yay!


So, keep in mind.  The footbeds that come with new boots are cheap and don't last long.  When they wear out, your feet will push forward into the boot, crushing your toes.


So buy new footbeds, just so you're prepared.  I hit the slopes one day and my boots all of a sudden didn't fit, were too small.  My ski day was ruined.


Things are good now.

post #2 of 17

ummm, that's not too small.  That's actually too big.  If you're feet have the room to slide that far the boots are too big

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

No.  Too big is when your foot is loose.  Too small is when you can't move your feet and you have black toe nails, blisters, feet crushing.


But me suspects you'll argue till the cows come home. 

post #4 of 17


Originally Posted by NYCJIM View Post


No.  Too big is when your foot is loose.  Too small is when you can't move your feet and you have black toe nails, blisters, feet crushing.


But me suspects you'll argue till the cows come home. 

You may not want to hear it but skierhj is right. If your boots first seemed to fit well, then as they packed out there was room for your foot to be forced forward to be crushed as you described, they are to big.

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

Too big?  Then I guess I need smaller boots by your "logic."    I'm glad I listen to a pro over a stranger on a forum.


The boots are not too big.  The footbeds have worn out, making the heel not secure, bringing the foot forward.  This is not a boot that is "too big."  It is a footbed that is worn.


If you want to get semantical, the boot isn't "too small" or "too big."  It is still  the perfect size for me.  However, due to the worn out foot bed, it is creating a "too small" to ski dynamic.  You don't get blisters and crushed toe nails from boots that are "too big."  You get them from worn out footbeds.



post #6 of 17

Your pro bootfitter sold you a custom footbed that reduced volume in the the boot. Bootfitters do that all the time and it solved your probem. Good for you, you're all set to ski now. But it's an absurd statement to say that your boots became smaller or became to small as they packed out.

Edited by Eric S - 3/13/2009 at 05:55 pm
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post #8 of 17

I can agree with all of you, but more so that the boots are a little big and got a tad sloppy partially as a result of the footbeds packing down.  Thicker footbeds will certainly help reduce the slop by raising the feet higher in the boots where there is less volume.  I might even try leaving the old footbed in and dropping a new one in right under it since the old ones are probably formed to the bottom of the foot quite well already.  Think of the boot as a triangle with the bottom being parallel to the ground.  The farther away from that side you get the lower the volume gets, hence they will fit tighter.  Make sense?

post #9 of 17

You have your logic backwards, NYCJIM.  I used to be a bootfitter years ago, and as boots pack out your foot has a tendency to move forward abruptly on sharp impacts (landings, hitting bumps, etc.) which jams your toe into the front of the liner.  That's what causes black/lost toenails.  If the boots fit tight enough to begin with (or weren't packed out) then your foot won't slide forward and jam your toe.


What your bootfitter probably did was compensate for the loose, packed out liner by installing a thicker footbed to take up space.  Sometimes simply adding a full length shim, 1-2 mm thick, between your liner and shell will solve the problem just as well as a new footbed.  I suspect your original footbed wasn't worn out at all.

post #10 of 17

For whatever it is worth, starting out with a shell that is a little big may not be the end of the world.  I have never been able to get a good fit from shells that aren't a tad big.  My feet are pretty wide and my arches are extremely high so a bigger shell with a raised footbed just fits my feet better.  By the time enough is shaved from the sides and top to get a good fit from a shell that matches my foot length there isn't really enough foam left to guard my foot top and little toe sides from the shell itself.  That and I actually prefer my boots loose on top using lots of ankle flex when skiing.  Must be why I suck

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 


My shoe size is 13. My boot size is 28.5. (A 28 shell.) To say that the boots are “too big” is beyond absurd. 
The footbeds were worn out, flat, with the material being frayed. (I saw them and the bootfitter showed me.) This caused the feet to slide forward.
In a proper, snug fit, the feet are anchored into the heel. The worn footbed caused the feet to move forward. The moving forward was not due to boots that were “too big.” They were due to worn out footbeds.
No, the boot didn’t technically or literally become “too small.” But they most certainly did not become “too big” either. In terms of fit, the fit became too small. The FIT became too small as I couldn’t even walk in the boots, much less ski in them.
I couldn’t even move my toes or feet in any way while in the boots. So the FIT became small. 
post #12 of 17

NYCJIM, what threw everyone off in this thread is when you state "the boots became to small" or the "fit became to small".  You're still making the same mistake in terminology in your last post.


If a flattened footbed was indeed the cause of the problem (rare, but not impossible) then the fit actually became 'too BIG'.  The flattened liner (or more commonly, a packed out liner) created increased volume in the boot, making it looser, causing your foot to move in the boot.  You are referring to this phenomenon as the fit becoming too small, but actually the correct expression is that the fit became too big or too loose.

post #13 of 17



read Trek's story.  she had her boots fitted early season without custom footbeds.  then went back for custom footbeds, which suported her foot better, causeing the weighted length of the foot to shorten (due to properly supported arch), thereby making her non-footbed, fit beome loose by comparison.


I think this is what NYCJIM is describing.


I think what support the old insole provided to his arch, is now gone making his foot flatter, which in turn make the foot longer, in turn making the boot feel "smaller" by comparison.  as soon as the arch was properly supported again, the foot "shrank" in length!

post #14 of 17

tried to edit out the mispellings, can't sorry!

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

My terminology may be wrong.  But it's not as absurd as saying "too big" or "loose" to describe the situation.  My feet are not loose at all.  Not at all.  They are just not anchored in the heel.  Crushed toes, feet that can't move, can't wiggle.  Feet that are so compressed by the boot that I can't walk.  "Loose" and "too big" are not terms that come to mind to a rational person, any more than "cold" would be to describe somebody's burn.


I know that some people pack out their liners and their feet can wiggle, making the boot "big."  But this is not the case.  In my case the footbeds wore out, causing the heels to be taken out of their anchor.  This caused  the fit to be too small for the space that my feet were occupying. 


I assure you, there's nothing "loose" or "big" about it.


post #16 of 17


Originally Posted by NYCJIM View Post



I assure you, there's nothing "loose" or "big" about it.



except one amazing large need to be "wrong"


and by that I really meant the opposite

post #17 of 17

lol...too big....too small... who cares... congrats on getting boots that fit better! :D

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