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post #31 of 34
Some random thoughts on Pressure Control in Modern skiing in response to coments made in this thread.

In years past we thought of pressure control as flexing and extending movements mainly used to dissipate energy, allowing us to shape our turns with minimal skidding.

Today, that is just part of the equation. As important is the ability to increase pressure by tipping the ski on edge and regulating the shape of the turn. In most cases I try to feel the most energy or pressure in the fall line not after. As soon as my feet have passed the fall line I am trying to release angles and moving with Mama Nature into/toward the next turn.

While training at Copper last Oct on really hard snow there were some days that there were world-class skiers and mere mortals on the same hill. Looking at carved tracks from, many skiers you could pick out the great skiers tracks quite easily. Those tracks narrower and DEEPER. Deeper because they were experiencing more pressure.

They were able to create greater pressure because the C.M. crossed over farther earlier and they sere balanced farther forward on the ski. This created greater edge angle and a tighter turn shape early in the turn. Their pressure control movements allowed them to create more pressure earlier in the turn than the mere mortals. This increased pressure resulted in a deeper track in the snow. This gave them more ski snow interaction and better traction. That is one of the reasons they can carve on that clear gray 'snow' they race on while most of us would skitter down the hill slipping and skidding.
post #32 of 34
If you read The Athletic Skier Witherall reccomends negative one to two degrees of cant.(I persoally use about -1.5). With my setup, when my shins are parallel and both skis are edged, my inside ski is edged 3 degrees MORE than my outside one.
Simple enough?

What's Curious George doing this summer?

[ August 24, 2002, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #33 of 34
Hi Slatz -

I know that's what he recommends, but for the non-racer folks who aren't familiar with this topic, there are also some downsides to canting this way that should be mentioned:

1) You lose 1.5 degrees of possible inside edge angle that might come in real handy some day.

2) This recommendation may not be suitable for certain body types that have a problem generating enough edge angle (ie, even on the outer ski).

3) It tends to make people ski with a wider stance and go in the A-frame direction since people tend to separate their legs until they get to the point where their bases are flat on the snow. Again, it might be ok for some, but not a good idea for others.

Just my $0.02,

Tom / PM
post #34 of 34
Actally I've had good luck with all types of skiers with this system. It moves the point where the pressure hits the edge closer to the snow inmpoving the skiers leverage against the edge. It also improves balance over the edge.
Most skiers that I have found to be more towards 0 either rotate with the turn(hip out to control the edge) or sit back because the tip engages too quickly and they can't control(or hang onto) it.
The "other" Bob Barnes had an article in The Professional Skier last winter about tests with the Dalebello boot system. That system uses a device the skier holds between their knees while the boot adjusters are tightened. It gives them a slightly knock kneed stance(negative cant). One of the conclusions of the article was that many problems corrected themselves. That has been my experience over the years. The Athletic Skier didn't change the way I did alignments, only gave some hard numbers that could be used to get people "in the ballpark".
Most top racers cant themselves at 0 or positive(Schlopy being an exception at -1 I've heard). Aldo told me it was because they had the strength to control the edge that way. It is frequently obvious by their bowlegged stance and hip out at the beginning of turns. I tried it last year and found that I could make RR tracks in soft snow with a very pronounced "drive" of my inside ski. At the end of the day my fatigue level was higher and I experienced cramping in my feet. On harder winter snow I found it difficult to get the outside ski to carve cleanly, as I didn't have the strenght to control it as well. I switched back for the PMTS clinic I did with Arcmeister(as the leader) last spring. Arc did kind of get after me about the width of my stance but it was 10/11 in vs 5/6 in. Not something that would be an issue at lower levels.(a PSIA Level III candidate should be able to make that kind of adjustment)
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