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Johhny Moseley's Run-Squaw aka West Face

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Thread Starter 

Anyone know the pitch?

post #2 of 17

Curve ball?

 

Maybe a sinker

post #3 of 17

Via Google Earth:

 

Average of entire run: 1107 vertical over 1839 length = 31.05*.

One of the steep[er/est] pitches: 399 vertical over 449 length = 41.63*.

A closer look at the above pitch: 197 vertical over 205 length = 43.86*.

post #4 of 17

 

very nice. a squaw geek like me loves a thread like this!

 

i just used a couple actual points from a GPS track from one of my runs down west face (please don't call it moseley's run).  i tried to take a good long sample from the steep middle section:

 

  650' vert over ~ 790 feet = 39 degrees

 

the distance calculation was only accurate to about 50 feet, so it's really somewhere between 38 and 41 degrees. i did another sample that was about 31-33 degrees over a 1100 foot shot.

 

here are the two points i used on google earth:

 

  West Face - a sample of two points

 

i took those points from this gps file:

 

  February 11th - GPS track

 

the images laid over the terrain on google earth are slightly off in the steeper areas... visually it should be shifted to the skier's left just a bit.  that run probably probably began about 50 feet right of the patch of trees at the top.


Edited by jahroy - 3/11/2009 at 02:34 am
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Thread Starter 

wow. yea i knew it was over 28-32 cuz that's what Outer Limits is at Killington.(I have a distance laser that does angles) West Face was quite a bit steeper. Thank God the snow was soft when i was there, i ski'd it twice! Killer trail and scary the way the valley falls away from you.

 

Squaw has terrain that makes the east coast look like it's strictly for intermediates.

 

post #6 of 17

yeah, having grown up on the east coast i don't remember outer limits or superstar striking me as too gnar... that being said they have a couple steep shots (just like white heat).  any idea what the vert is on those runs?  i remember pinning laps down outer limits as a kid that would make my back explode today!

 

west face is my favorite run in the world... a good day on KT often involves a dozen or more west faces.  nothing beats the spring when you start skiing it as soon as it softens, then lap it til the chair closes!

 

squaw has quite a skiing culture about it... within it there is a community of folks who ski KT almost exclusively... and even beyond that there are quite a few people who almost never leave the west face.  no matter how firm it is, there's always a few maniacs ripping non-stoppers down it as soon as it opens.

post #7 of 17

 

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Originally Posted by RadRutlander View Post

  

Squaw has terrain that makes the east coast look like it's strictly for intermediates.

 

Yes, I remember skiing White Heat years ago and thinking: what's the big deal... The difference is that some of those super-steep trails in the East are groomed and hard, so if you fall you are going all the way down on that ice; West Face is fortunately never groomed...  Moseley himself mentioned that there was time when Squaw decided to groom that run using a winch cat type of device and then they promptly had people falling down that slope all the way to the trees at the bottom- not good...   BTW, West Face is a killer run when it has deep powder on it or when the bumps are soft, then it is just money...   And West Face is not nearly the steepest terrain at Squaw...

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Originally Posted by jahroy View Post

 

yeah, having grown up on the east coast i don't remember outer limits or superstar striking me as too gnar... that being said they have a couple steep shots (just like white heat).  any idea what the vert is on those runs?  i remember pinning laps down outer limits as a kid that would make my back explode today!

 

http://ski-degrees.synthasite.com/

The Steeps of the East.

post #9 of 17

 

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

 

 ...   And West Face is not nearly the steepest terrain at Squaw...

 

not even close. 

 

it's just a good, long, consistent run that serves up lots of good turns...

 

on my way to squaw for the first time after a month off with a back injury.... don't think i'll be able to visit the west face today!

 

 

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Originally Posted by jahroy View Post

 

 

very nice. a squaw geek like me loves a thread like this!

 

i just used a couple actual points from a GPS track from one of my runs down west face (please don't call it moseley's run).  i tried to take a good long sample from the steep middle section:

 

  650' vert over ~ 790 feet = 39 degrees

 

the distance calculation was only accurate to about 50 feet, so it's really somewhere between 38 and 41 degrees. i did another sample that was about 31-33 degrees over a 1100 foot shot.

 

here are the two points i used on google earth:

 

  West Face - a sample of two points

 

i took those points from this gps file:

 

  February 11th - GPS track

 

the images laid over the terrain on google earth are slightly off in the steeper areas... visually it should be shifted to the skier's left just a bit.  that run probably probably began about 50 feet right of the patch of trees at the top.


Edited by jahroy - 3/11/2009 at 02:34 am

 

Hey, how'd you upload your points on Google Earth on to the forum?

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you can save "places" in google earth as .kmz files.

 

the software that came with my gps allows you to view waypoints, tracks, routes, etc... on google earth.  i choose to view my points on google earth, position it the way i like, draw what i want on top of it, then save it as a "place" or a .kmz file on my computer.  i uploaded that file to my website and put a link to it here. 

 

you can basically save a whole bunch of info into a .kmz file.  here's a .kmz file i've been playing around with that will eventually be a map of squaw valley:

 

  Squaw Valley - google earth map

 

the chairlifts are all saved as paths.... i also created a whole bunch of "labels" which show the top and bottom each chair. if you double click on any of those (as they appear in the menu on the left) it will zoom in to that item.  to save a "view" you right click on the path, place, waypoint, etc... on the left and selct "snapshot."

 

not sure if any of that made sense or if you already knew how to do 90% of that....

 

send me a PM if you want to hear more of my rambling....

 

post #12 of 17

That's a cool site, but what's with the Hunter stats? How is Hunter the steepest mountain on there? I've ridden Hunter plenty of times and nothing there is that steep.
 

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http://ski-degrees.synthasite.com/

The Steeps of the East.


 

post #13 of 17

Y'all are very confused. There is no run at Squaw Valley properly named "Johnny Mosley's run". There may however be a misprint on the current trail map.

 

SJ

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^^ thank you... that's what i said.  the name of this thread should be changed...

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

 

Y'all are very confused. There is no run at Squaw Valley properly named "Johnny Mosley's run". There may however be a misprint on the current trail map.

 

SJ

 

That's funny!  West Face was spectacular Friday.  My quads are still burning!

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What's that little cornice called that drops into the left side of Chute 75?  That's a blast as well.

post #17 of 17
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That's a cool site, but what's with the Hunter stats? How is Hunter the steepest mountain on there? I've ridden Hunter plenty of times and nothing there is that steep.

 

The front of the home page:

 

If one of the mountain's stats are in italics, then this means that Google Earth was low-res in this area and the data is more unreliable.

 

So pretty much, instead of a clear image, it is a blurry image and so the slope is all messed up. FYI, the mountain markets Lower K27 as 38 degrees and I've skied it and can agree on the first 200-300 vertical.

 

Quote:

you can save "places" in google earth as .kmz files.

 

the software that came with my gps allows you to view waypoints, tracks, routes, etc... on google earth.  i choose to view my points on google earth, position it the way i like, draw what i want on top of it, then save it as a "place" or a .kmz file on my computer.  i uploaded that file to my website and put a link to it here. 

 

you can basically save a whole bunch of info into a .kmz file.  here's a .kmz file i've been playing around with that will eventually be a map of squaw valley:

 

  Squaw Valley - google earth map

 

the chairlifts are all saved as paths.... i also created a whole bunch of "labels" which show the top and bottom each chair. if you double click on any of those (as they appear in the menu on the left) it will zoom in to that item.  to save a "view" you right click on the path, place, waypoint, etc... on the left and selct "snapshot."

 

not sure if any of that made sense or if you already knew how to do 90% of that....

 

send me a PM if you want to hear more of my rambling....

Okay, I got it now. Thanks!

 

And that map is very useful even RIGHT NOW. Yes, just a map of the lifts is very helpful as it's easier to look around at the mountain.

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