Originally Posted by CTKook
Tog, I think what we are dealing with here is cognitive dissonance.
I think it's more a 'view of life' - or at least this corner of the world we're talking about.
Someone had asked why teach the wedge at all. A legit question, to which I'd responded.
I'd hardly call your response "legit". But that's my view.
You don't like the answers, so among other things while you now say you 'get" the tele thing a few posts up you were mocking my mention of people who'd switched to tele because of wedge-induced knee pain, as if it were fanciful. It's a real world phenomenon, shy away from it if you want.
Yes. I know... I'm shy on the topic. Look, I posted too quickly this morning and didn't have time to give 'your' theory credit. I already said you were right.
Again, what does tele versus alpine have to do with the wedge? - Nothing. Nothing at all. That's my point. Note that parallel skiers get knee pain too.
I know - I've had a few operations....oh....wait....now it's so clear!!! I had knee problems because I learned to ski in a wedge!!!!! Sheeeesh! Maybe I could sue the ski school at ....god! I forget!!!
The fact that many ski instructors, as revealed repeatedly on here, discount any report of negative effects of what they're teaching, and anything negative about instructors themselves, is a very good reason of itself for people to be wary before parting with their hard-earned dollars for lessons.
Yes, thanks for the public service you're performing! Maybe you should start a website devoted to ski instruction scams.
Instead of accepting what sibhusky said about it taking her years to get rid of the remnants of a wedge, which real-world is pretty much the norm for people who do get rid of it if it gets ingrained, you just attacked her statement that it took years to get rid of, as if it didn't happen.
I hardly "attacked" her statement. I asked for clarification.
Real world for those whom you choose to pick out. There are hundreds of thousands of skiers who learned a wedge and they ski "just fine". Wait....news flash....I hate to admit this....I learned in a wedge!!! Wow, and to think...I coulda been a contenda!..
So probably did 90% of skiers you see in photos/films that people pay for. But your right - Seth Morrison would probably be a better skier today if he had not learned in a wedge.
So you've added a bit more light to the original question posed by the o.p. about why more people don't take lessons.
Please illuminate. I see nothing but darkness from you. Sorry, that's negative I know. Kind of like 'bad' cops.
Now I've posted on here that I've had some good experiences with family members in ski school. When I noted in this thread the control issues that some ski instructors have I took pains to say it was a minority of instructors.
Great. A life boat from the Titanic!! Seriously , It's great you've had some good experiences.
You may find it distasteful that I mentioned it on a public forum, but instructors themselves talk about exactly the same things, everything from clinicians known to zero in on nervous instructors to the guy who they all know is awful with students but who is 100% reliable in showing up and so who keeps getting lessons. It doesn't mean they, or me, hate skiing or have a bleak outlook.
I don't find it "distasteful". The point is that everyone in the WORLD is like this. I mean god, I bet like the President might even curse- wait- he smokes! Oh geez, guess I should move to France! And take Mother Theresa, she wasn't even happy all the time! (according to her diaries) Hmmm...maybe I should reevaluate her achievements!
So what' s the point? Take any job or profession you want and it's there. Has nothing to do with "bleak outlook". It's just that what gets looked at is what shows up in the viewfinder.
If you start a conversation about an "a hole" examiner you'll get that. If you start a conversation about technique, or even say "how to teach the wedge" (I know, imagine such a horror!) you'll get info on technique.
Oh, by the way. I really could care less if one learns in a wedge or not! I have no attachment to it at all. I am committed to people learning to ski.
Fine print for this response:
I admit I use a wedge at times in my own skiing. I don't know...I just find it useful at times. I aknowledge that I learned to ski in a wedge. I think. I really don't know but I'm pretty sure...family tells me I just went straight down. Somewhere I learned to turn, though this is still being confirmed.