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The sound of carving

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Or, better said, the noise...
Yesterday (Saturday 16th, for me), I was skiing at my "local" hill (37some km from home) and, while sitting on the chairlift and observing a goup of skiers (some of them
were uniformed instructors, free skiing BTW)
I "suddenly" realized one thing:
The noise produced by the skis, when executing a proper carved turn (be it 2 or 1 footed) was continous, no interruption (no silence) between a turn and the next, like
On the contrary, when a guy was scarving, there was a detectable interruption in the noise, just at the moment the guy was preparing to enter the next turn.
Looking at the skiers I noticed that all the guys that were "scarving" were using an almost exaggerated up-down leg movement (flex-extension), exiting the "old" turn with their legs flexed, planting the pole for the new turn, at this point the noise was interruptred, releasing the edges (extending their legs, and simultaneously unweighting the ski(s)), entering the "new" turn (at this point the noise was starting again).
Any thougt?
Disclaimer, I hadn't make use of drugs of any kind, nor alcohol...
post #2 of 14
Whether "crossover" or "crossunder" there has to be some extention/flexion of the legs.

The scarvers may be taking a longer time to enter the top portion of the turn, skidding the top portion. They may be flexing too much into the boot before edging, causing the front part of the ski to "stall", causing the back to skid into the turn.

The carvers are quickly entering the top portion of the turn on their edges.
post #3 of 14
M@tteo, your observations are accurate. When you hear the continuous sound, I suspect you will, in fact, have seen flexion/extension, but not the up and down kind. I believe that you will see one leg flexing and the other extending, as the skier moves the center to the inside of the turn and tips from one set of edges to the next.

When I used to be able to hear stuff--before all the rocknroll and machine guns and chain saws, etc.--the rough, intermittent sound was always a signal that I wasn't carving well or consistently.

Good ear!

post #4 of 14
Would not the sound of true pure carving,
be sound of silence?

Not to be confused with the sound of one hand clapping?
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post #5 of 14
I think that's an "aircarve" Arcmeister!

Silent untill impact!
post #6 of 14
I once tested a ski with a titanium edge and the sound was more like a soft whistle than the steel edges. It's amazing how much "grind" sound there is in even a well-polished steel edge.
post #7 of 14
I heard a whistling of my skis through the snow a couple of weeks ago, but I attributed it to different snow conditions. I was carving pretty fast that day and haven't been able to recapture that sound since.

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post #8 of 14
Different snow structures at different temps will sound differently as well.

By the way, I think the word "schuss", used to describe going straight, must have some origin connected to the sound. (For those into poetry, that type of word is called onomatopoeia--a pretty cool word in itself.)

Ott, what does "schuss" mean in German?
post #9 of 14
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by weems:
Ott, what does "schuss" mean in German?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ott is still wedeln'ing in that other thread, but unless I am totally mistaken (again) Schuss means 'to shoot'.

post #10 of 14
Matteo and Weems, I'm still a little winded from all that wedeling but as to 'Schuss', it means 'shot', which is the past tense of 'Schiessen'=shooting.

Shoot is 'schiesse' (but be careful! Putting the 'e' before the 'i' is like substituting an "i' for the 'o' in 'shot' [img]smile.gif[/img] )

post #11 of 14
Very interesting observation. The noises would be more consistent and "noisier overall" on freshly groomed cold "squeeky snow".

Might be fun to figure out the rythmical noises that different types of turns make.

Imagine putting audio pickups on the skis themselves, one for each foot.

Record the noises, audio sample 'em and edit them.

"Edge Music" Weird, eh?
post #12 of 14
SnowKarver, did you notice the scraping skiing sounds that followed the skiers all the way down the hill during the Olympic races?

There is no microphone attached to the skiers and the cameras were several hundred yards away, methinks those sounds were synchronized and dubbed later on.
Parabolic mics can pick up sound pretty good but I doubt that the courses were lined with them top to bottom.

Maybe someone who was there could clear this up.

post #13 of 14
I have some late-'80's vintage Rossi DH skis that sound totally different from any other ski I own.
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hey, thanks all!
KeeTov, that's what I saw in the scarvers.
their showel almost stopped and the tails were scrapping the snow (showel was acting as a fulcrum, well nearly).
And yes, I agree that even while carving there must be some flex/extension movement, just not as wide (or as exaggerated, as I put) as when executing a turn using the old tecnique.
Weems, you've put it down much better than me! Me too, from that moment on, I used the sound to judge werther I was scarving or carving...another trick I am using is to look my shadow, but generally I do not like what I see...
Ott, I see you're still tiredlessy wedeling...(BTW I've read yor comment about "wedeling" and "tail wagging" )
Snokarver, my ear is not sooo good, I am just happy being able to discern scarving
from carving, but I'll try...
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