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Moguls (again!) - line and pole plants

post #1 of 11
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I've read a lot of stuff on here that the pole plant should be on the back or downhill side of the mogul, but wondered if that was too simplistic and it's actually dependent on the line you take e.g. if you're zipperlining it looks to me like the pole plant needs to be in the trough rather than on the mogul?

 

I've tried to show this on this jpeg (hope this works) where the red dot is the pole plant for the blue line through the moguls in 3 different cases:

 

 

Also wondered what people's views were on this advice:

http://www.weekendwarriorsguide.com/mogul.htm

 

I am led to believe that sking in the ruts is a bad idea because there's no room to control the turn of the skis. Also, the 3rd line looks a little strange - would you ever ski this line? It looks to me like you go over the top of the bump then would have to turn in the ruts?

 

Thanks

Barry

 

 

post #2 of 11

Hi, I'm certainly not an expert at this, but I've had great success skiing in the rut (like the 1st pic on the weekend warriors guide). I usually hop and turn. It's not as elegant as carving but it feels good. Pole planting on the bumps. It also keeps my speed in check. If I get a few moguls that are fairly evenly placed it works like magic.

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Originally Posted by Bazza View Post

 

I've read a lot of stuff on here that the pole plant should be on the back or downhill side of the mogul, but wondered if that was too simplistic and it's actually dependent on the line you take e.g. if you're zipperlining it looks to me like the pole plant needs to be in the trough rather than on the mogul?

 

I've tried to show this on this jpeg (hope this works) where the red dot is the pole plant for the blue line through the moguls in 3 different cases:

 

 

Also wondered what people's views were on this advice:

http://www.weekendwarriorsguide.com/mogul.htm

 

I am led to believe that sking in the ruts is a bad idea because there's no room to control the turn of the skis. Also, the 3rd line looks a little strange - would you ever ski this line? It looks to me like you go over the top of the bump then would have to turn in the ruts?

 

Thanks

Barry

 

 

 

you can ski in the ruts as slow as you want. in fact in rutted out bumps made by tail pushes it is often the best tactic.

 

FYI the ruts = the zipperline.

 

The pole touches when you ski the zipperline will be on top of the bumps generally if you want to slow down before the top if you want to speed up on the backside.

 

the primary speed control in the zipperline are these skills. Timing of retraction and extentsion movement constant ski and snow contact and slowed edging movement and slowed rotary movement. Simple put if you do you the movements slowly and precise to quote one of my peers i was coaching at my L3 teaching. "Josh you skied those (bumps) slow as molasses"

 

I actually proved at my L3 teaching that trying to ski rutted zipperline bumps was slower by skiing the zipperline than by skiing a round 'top of the bumps" approach that so often misinformed instructors try to use.

 

 

post #4 of 11

Bazza,

 

Your diagram shows 3 variations of the same line, off the sides of the bumps (nothing to do with the zipper line).  I think of pole plants as having 2 positive variables (3 including a blocking motion).  They are timing and placement.  Zipper line skiing requires the timing of the pole plant to be at the full amount of retraction (absorption), and placement be close to the middle of the foot, about a foot down the hill (more or less).  It can be either a counter rotating, or a anticiapted (stabilizing) pole plant.

 

The red dots in your diagrams are placed toward the center of the turn radius, and way too late to be useful.  Move them up and closer to the blue line.

 

RW

post #5 of 11

 

Watch the following clip of Plake (amonst others).



Apart from when he is late, and/or in a recovery move, every pole plant of his (and other skiers, incl. JC and WW) are on the uphill face of the bumps.



 


 

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post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by Ron White View Post

 

Bazza,

 

Your diagram shows 3 variations of the same line, off the sides of the bumps (nothing to do with the zipper line).  I think of pole plants as having 2 positive variables (3 including a blocking motion).  They are timing and placement.  Zipper line skiing requires the timing of the pole plant to be at the full amount of retraction (absorption), and placement be close to the middle of the foot, about a foot down the hill (more or less).  It can be either a counter rotating, or a anticiapted (stabilizing) pole plant.

 

The red dots in your diagrams are placed toward the center of the turn radius, and way too late to be useful.  Move them up and closer to the blue line.

 

RW

 

so more like this then Ron?

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Bazza,

 

Quote:

so more like this then Ron?

 

Yes.

post #8 of 11

[QUOTE=BushwackerinPA] FYI the ruts = the zipperline [/QUOTE]

 

Not really.  Good zipperline actually takes  you across the ruts and up on the side of the bump.  The pole plant should be on the backside of the last bump if the bumps are tight.

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone, great feedback and the video is very useful.

 

Pa, by backside do you mean downhill side?

post #10 of 11

Yes, downhill side.

post #11 of 11

 

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Originally Posted by PaSucks View Post

 

[QUOTE=BushwackerinPA] FYI the ruts = the zipperline [/QUOTE]

 

Not really.  Good zipperline actually takes  you across the ruts and up on the side of the bump.  The pole plant should be on the backside of the last bump if the bumps are tight.

 

whats funny is I think I hit the sides when I ski I guess the visual for me is aiming my skis towards the rut then since I am going faster they tend to deflect from side to side as i ski.

 

since I am watching video of you skiing a great bump line I might post in this thread once it gets online.

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