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mogul skiing MA please

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

About a year ago, I posted a video of me skiing some moguls and asked for MA - http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/67067/bump-skiing-ma-please.  The wonderful people on this board gave me some great tips and advice, so here I am with another video.




The default is the standard video, but if your internet is fast enough, the HD version has much better clarity.  There are two clips, with a 1/2 speed version after each clip.


Being in MN, most of the time the moguls are just big ice bumps that I can see my own reflection in, so I haven't had a chance to ski them too much.  I've probably only had a handful of days where I actually got to think about some of the stuff pointed out to me in the other thread and get to try them out for a few runs.  I think I skied this run no more than 10 times since the last video, and had a few days in Utah where I got to experience some real snow, along with some very steep bumps.


Anyways, in this video, it's the same run as the one from last year.  The conditions are a little different though.  It's not as icy as last year, but the bumps are much bigger and much deeper in between.  Spring weather has softened them up a bit on top, but they are still very hard underneath.


Here's what I THINK I've improved on, though there's still much work to be done. 

 1. absorbing more through the knees rather than waist/upper body

 2. quieter in arms and upper body

 3. better line, so I'm not pounding into the top of the moguls as much.  I do still rely on them quite a bit for speed check.


So start analyzing!!

and Thanks.

post #2 of 10

Now I am not that great at mogul skiing but it seems to me that your arms were a little to low and close to your body. I was taught to ski the moguls with my hands quite high and out. Also you seemed a little back on your skis. But I am no expert so thats my 2 cents.

post #3 of 10

Can't give you any advice as I suck at moguls.  A kind gentleman whom I observed skiing very well in moguls did give me a tip to keep my hands low and in front, as he showed me his rather short ski poles with the straps cut off after I mentioned I was skiing without poles because of a thumb injury and thankful I hadn't had  the straps on.


The least I can do is bump the thread.

post #4 of 10



I didn't view the older video, but what I see is some of the feet moving toward the body and an extension off the bump (good).  I also see a lot of bending at the waist and open ankle joints (could improve with better body position).  Your line looks nice and hands ok.  It is hard to get from the camera angle, the relationship of the upper and lower body.


My advice is what you are working on are good things.  Work on improving your overall body position over the skis.  Stand a little taller with more flex from the ankle.  This will allow you to turn more easily and balance over the skis from the feet up.



post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

So I have one person saying my hands should be kept high.  Another saying low.  I guess I take the average and just keep it at average height?  =)


I feel like I generally try to have it at about chest height.  Of course pole planting and absorbing bumps causes them to fluctuate between my waist and shoulder.  I'm thinking any issues I have with my hands will mostly resolve with better upper body position and lower body absorbtion.  I've been trying to work on using mostly my wrists for pole plant moves rather than my arms.


Ron, as you pointed out, I do still bend quite a bit at the waist.  The problem is I don't quite understand how to really get rid of this.  If you look at my previous year's video, you can see my legs have very little absorbtion so everytime I hit a bump, my waist bends to absorb a little, but in general, my entire body is bouncing up and down a lot.  My g/f said it looks like I'm gonna break my back. So I've worked on trying to keep my upper body more stable.  Yet, it almost looks like I've got more bend in the waist now because I'm really trying to keep my body from bouncing up and down.  I'm trying to absorb using the legs, which is helping, but the bump still pushes my knees into my chest which causes bending in the waist.


This leads me to the following conclusion...please correct me if I'm wrong.


1. As you said, I need to open up my ankles for more ankle flex (aka I I need my ankles to help with absorbtion).  This would help some, but I will still get the knees going into chest issue, which leads to #2

2. When speaking of waist bend, there are two types. The first type, which is bad, is caused by bending my body down at the waist to absorb.  So if I was standing still and doing this movement, it would be like bowing to someone.  The second type, is caused by the lower body absorbing the bump and getting pushed up into my upper body, causing the waist to bend.  So kind of like riding a bicycle.  And now just writing this, I realized something..maybe what I'm interpreting as waist bend in both cases is actually waist bend in the first case, and hip bend in the second.  I need to work on removing the waist bend but letting the hip bend happen.  Correct?




post #6 of 10



First, a more centered stance would be closing the ankle joint more, to keep your hips over your feet.  Opening the ankle drops the hips behind the feet, so you need to bend at the waist to keep the chest over the feet to balance.


Second, don't think of absorbing the bump (body toward the feet), but rather retracting the feet up off the bump so there is no impact to absorb (feet up toward the body),



post #7 of 10

Extend down the back of the bump more.  You absorb a little bit but because you aren't extending that much you don't have that much range of motion to absorb with.  Also, hands a little more in front.  It looks like they are more spread out to the side.  You should plant the pole on the top of the bump and immediatly punch your hand straight down the fall line.  There should be little to no lateral movement of the hands across the hill during the pole plant. 

post #8 of 10

In what direction do you "extend down the back of the bump"?  Get this wrong, and you are in the back seat.....


The goal is to pressure the tips asap, so what direction would do that? 


post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

RW, I misread your first post..thought you said to open my ankles rather than pointing out I had open ankles.  As for your second comment, I actually do think of it that way when I ski.  It really helped me in starting to have better upper body stability. 


PaSucks, interesting idea with "punching" my hand down the fall line.  It kind of goes against the "keep hands quiet" line of thought, but I think I get what you're getting at.  I'll have to give it a try next time I'm out.



post #10 of 10

It doesn't have to go totally against keeping your hands quiet.  The unplanted hand should be infront of you but still until time to plant.  Maybe instead of thinking of it as a hard punch down the fall line, just straighten the elbow right after the plant to allow your hand to tip the pole foreward so as to keep from having your inside shoulder pushed up and back, causing you to get backseat.

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