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So, will you be skiing Tram Face at your Tram Face Comp?

post #1 of 16
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I have it from a reliable source near the inside of all comp events that the non-start of the Tram Face run in the comp was not due to restrictions placed upon the World Tour by Squaw. 

 

The tour organizers made the call, with no outside influence. They have an event scheduled in France for tomorrow or so, and they did not want to hang around Squaw waiting for snow and visiblility which might not happen by the close date of Thursday.

 

I call BS on that line of reasoning not to run the main event, as the snow was a solid bet by Tuesday and the forcast was for the weather to begin breaking up on WedThur, which it exactly did. IMO, they could definitely have run it.

 

Regarding safety, yeah, but: The lines that would have been awesome for the comp, and that skiers traveled around the world to ski, are frequently poached by strong locals at Squaw, so there is no doubt that the athletes would have totally schralped the knar up there. (The venue they skied was no different than what could have been skied at JH, Snowbird, etc.)

 

So, WTF???

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I call BS on that line of reasoning not to run the main event, as the snow was a solid bet by Tuesday and the forcast was for the weather to begin breaking up on WedThur, which it exactly did. IMO, they could definitely have run it.


Do you mean the stability was a solid bet, or that the expectation of snow was a solid bet?  Because the largest accumulation came Tuesday night.  Wednesday was a nightmare as far as snow stability, and from what I heard, the entire venue slid on Tuesday or Wednesday while they were trying to prepare it for competition.  Also factor in that Squaw lost one of its patrollers on Tuesday morning to a much larger-than-expected avalanche.  I'm not the least bit surprised they decided to cancel the Tram Face venue.  Is it disappointing?  Sure.  Imagine how the promoters of the event feel after touting the TRAM FACE for the past six months, to not even be able to do it.  The good thing is, I too have it from a reliable source that the FWT and Squaw intend to try for a tram face competition next year.  The one thing the organizers cannot control is the weather, and this time it didn't quite work out for them.

post #3 of 16

definitely a major bummer about the comp.... in light of the accident on tuesday, however, it's hard to complain. 

 

ironically we all knew it would be bluebird by thursday and it was.  they shouldn't have claimed that their weather window was thru march 5th when everybody was ready to cancel day 2 and leave on the 3rd.

 

boy do i hope they try to do this again.... it would be the ultimate comp.  silverado was cool, but it was over too quick. 

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Do you mean the stability was a solid bet, or that the expectation of snow was a solid bet?  Because the largest accumulation came Tuesday night.  Wednesday was a nightmare as far as snow stability, and from what I heard, the entire venue slid on Tuesday or Wednesday while they were trying to prepare it for competition.  Also factor in that Squaw lost one of its patrollers on Tuesday morning to a much larger-than-expected avalanche.  I'm not the least bit surprised they decided to cancel the Tram Face venue.  Is it disappointing?  Sure.  Imagine how the promoters of the event feel after touting the TRAM FACE for the past six months, to not even be able to do it.  The good thing is, I too have it from a reliable source that the FWT and Squaw intend to try for a tram face competition next year.  The one thing the organizers cannot control is the weather, and this time it didn't quite work out for them.

that the expectation of getting enough snow to ski the chutes was a solid bet. 

 

An area (the cliff bands facing more north than the tram tower line) of the veunue slid after the rain episode of the week (Feb 23) prior to the start of the comp. If it slid again with the next wet snow episode around March 1, I am not aware. It did seam that the snow of March 1 covered the troublesome hardened debris field of the previous storm.

 

the stability is always a question on such a face, but the big slides we had on Headwall and Rooftop (both the same aspect) were caused by windload building up to 10 -20 feet of snow in two days. The tram face is a different aspect and though the rock spines would catch some side load, it is unlikely that that would have been extremely dangerous (other chutes on the mountain of a same aspect and similar configuration were very stable.) I'm saying, IMO, the organizers totally blew the call on the weather, that the weather, though not controlled by them, fell perfectly right into their plans.

 

latest update, and this is hearsay from this morning in a Tahoe City ski shop, someone skied (poached) the tram face this morning. anyone see the tracks? Post a picture for the organizers? The guys who flew over from Europe to put their tracks up there would be bummed too, as I feel that they were the ones slighted.

 

Of course my disappointment about pulling the plug does not reflect any disrespect of what the whole mountain is going through.

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latest update, and this is hearsay from this morning in a Tahoe City ski shop, someone skied (poached) the tram face this morning. anyone see the tracks? Post a picture for the organizers? The guys who flew over from Europe to put their tracks up there would be bummed too, as I feel that they were the ones slighted.


 http://unofficialsquaw.com/words/2009/03/07/tram-face-video-squaw-valley-usa/

 

It's my understanding that this section of the Tram Face wasn't included in the proposed venue for the event, that they planned to use more of the shoulder to looker's right.

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 http://unofficialsquaw.com/words/2009/03/07/tram-face-video-squaw-valley-usa/

 

It's my understanding that this section of the Tram Face wasn't included in the proposed venue for the event, that they planned to use more of the shoulder to looker's right.

 

Thanks for sharing this SICK video!

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 http://unofficialsquaw.com/words/2009/03/07/tram-face-video-squaw-valley-usa/

 

It's my understanding that this section of the Tram Face wasn't included in the proposed venue for the event, that they planned to use more of the shoulder to looker's right.

Initially, like the week before the event, that was what we were hearing around. Then, the rumor was that the entire area from the face under the cable line around the shoulder toward Silverado would be available to the skiers and boarders for competition. I use the word rumor because the FWT never posted a program or anything with the site pictured specifically, so the information was sketchy about particulars..
 

post #8 of 16

 

i agree that they would've ended up being able to ski just about whatever they wanted up there...

 

at least everything starting at tram chute and to looker's right.

 

i also have no way to validate this information.

 

post #9 of 16

Dav, 

 

What are you doing calling BS? They cancelled it. Why do you need an explanation? Why don't you trust them? 

 

I recall the last two years in which an athlete has died in competition. On the same calendar day. 

 

I recall a patroller dying prior this event... same storm. 

 

I recall friends... just... disappearing. 

 

Dav... STFU!!! 

 

WTF world are you living in? 

 

When it's determined to be dangerous... competition stops. 

 

[shakes head in disgust...]

 

 

post #10 of 16
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Dav, 

 

What are you doing calling BS? They cancelled it. Why do you need an explanation? Why don't you trust them? 

 

I recall the last two years in which an athlete has died in competition. On the same calendar day. 

 

I recall a patroller dying prior this event... same storm. 

 

I recall friends... just... disappearing. 

 

Dav... STFU!!! 

 

WTF world are you living in? 

 

When it's determined to be dangerous... competition stops. 

 

[shakes head in disgust...]

 

 

this thing is not for the public, these guys are bad ass and want to ski. Locals skied it, no big deal, which shows that it is/was skiable.
 

these comps are always dangerous, yes, up to fatal exposure every event. cancel for resonable danger? If skiers died on this day on earlier years, it indicates that the organizers have accepted danger. danger is the content of these comps.

 

I told you I was not disrespecting the Squaw Patrol. they are friends to me. If you chose not to believe that, your perogative.

 

FWT has their own patrol, medical support, helis, course keepers, so no public or Squaw personel are put in harm's way.

 

the avalanches on the mountain were wind load on large faces with roll-overs in the lee of a south wind. other than that, patrol had skiers on every pitch on the mountain.

 

 

It has nothing to do with trust. I want to know why? they got everyone stoked around Tahoe and then decided to bag it and head to France two days early. It is wierd or BS, whatever, it would be interesting to hear their point of view. run a big event, make big claims, your judgement will be scrutinized, comes with the terrritory.

 

Who are you to express disgust, ? have you elected yourself spokesperson of the moral high ground? crap!

 

Yeah, I live in a world where we want competitors to die .

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by davluri - 3/8/2009 at 06:16 pm
post #11 of 16

the window for the comp was supposed to go until march 5th.... they cancelled the comp the morning of tuesday the 3rd due to weather without even waiting around to see what happened.  i thought that was a little lame.... i would be going crazy criticizing this decision if it wasn't for the accident on tuesday.

 

i really don't understand why they claimed the scheduling window went until the 5th... none of the competitors were even ready to stay that long.... they were all flying out of town before then to get the next tour stop, which is ridiculous. 

 

what pissed me off it is that it was blatantly obvoius that it was going to be bluebird on thursday... anybody who's spent any time watching tahoe weather knew it would be perfect bluebird with 4-6 feet of fresh snow on thursday (march 5th) and they rolled out of town anyways....

 

i hope they compe back, but i hope they try to actually do something next time.... after 4+ months of hype there was about 100 minutes of competitve skiing to watch.

post #12 of 16
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Does the use of periods indicate a pause in the cadence? Is this some kind of  poetry? Seems to me that you so disrespect the lives you mention that you are prepared to use the fact of their death to demonstrate your prowess with the written word. You egrandize yourself while contributing nothing to the memory of those among us who have lost their lives. Your art here is superfluous, and it sucks.
 

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Dav, [snip]

 

I recall friends... just... disappearing. 

[snip]

 

 

 


 

post #13 of 16

I'm disrespecting my deceased friends with my poetry? Wow... didn't see that one coming. 

 

Please don't quote me out of context so you can 'egrandize' yourself. (Did I use that word correctly? I've never actually used it before today.) 

 

Sometimes, Dav, people walk away from highly-anticipated big lines that they spent months (usually years) preparing to hit because the conditions weren't right. When their gut tells them it's not right, they step away. It's really quite simple. Gut-wrenching... but simple. Then follows the shoulda', woulda', coulda' mantra of those not content with making executive decisions. 

 

Sorry you didn't get to see your show. I actually find it quite impressive that they didn't give in to the pressure of the locals. Carry on, though. Enjoy your 20/20 hind-sight. 

 

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post #14 of 16

this is NOT a statement about whether or not the comp should have taken place....

 

but it's definitely worth checking out:

 

 

Pictures of recent Tram Chute descent

post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 

Look, I was way negative yesterday, Samurai, and I have no fight with you. I am truly sorry for your loss, and you know we have lost close friends on our mountain as well. How we express our grief and deal with it is different for every person. total respect all around.
 

 

And still, even saying they made their call based on conditons is a guess.

 

It's more than a show, and it could have been historic. Just wanting the best for the athletes involved and the community here at Tahoe.

 

Hindsight is not what I was using. This debate and its multiple points of view was in full swing from the opening date of the comp onward.

 

Promoters be damned, IMO, they screw up their sh%$ all the time, therefore my lack of trust or confidence in their decisions. (Note: $#%Bull broke a racer's neck through utter dumness)

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I'm disrespecting my deceased friends with my poetry? Wow... didn't see that one coming. 

 

Please don't quote me out of context so you can 'egrandize' yourself. (Did I use that word correctly? I've never actually used it before today.) 

 

Sometimes, Dav, people walk away from highly-anticipated big lines that they spent months (usually years) preparing to hit because the conditions weren't right. When their gut tells them it's not right, they step away. It's really quite simple. Gut-wrenching... but simple. Then follows the shoulda', woulda', coulda' mantra of those not content with making executive decisions. 

 

Sorry you didn't get to see your show. I actually find it quite impressive that they didn't give in to the pressure of the locals. Carry on, though. Enjoy your 20/20 hind-sight. 

 

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Look, I was way negative yesterday, Samurai, and I have no fight with you. I am truly sorry for your loss, and you know we have lost close friends on our mountain as well. How we express our grief and deal with it is different for every person. total respect all around.
 

 

And still, even saying they made their call based on conditons is a guess.

 

It's more than a show, and it could have been historic. Just wanting the best for the athletes involved and the community here at Tahoe.

 

Hindsight is not what I was using. This debate and its multiple points of view was in full swing from the opening date of the comp onward.

 

Promoters be damned, IMO, they screw up their sh%$ all the time, therefore my lack of trust or confidence in their decisions. (Note: $#%Bull broke a racer's neck through utter dumness)

 

Fair enough. 

 

Good luck with bringing it back next year!

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