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Yes we can change...skiing (Rax ski 2009)

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Imagine that your ski can surf down the powder slope
like a surfboard.
Imagine that your ski can skate down the hard trail
as it got short metal skids (or fins) cutting in the snow
just behind your ski boots.
Imagine that your ski can track and turn better
than any other ski you are passing by.
 


Very first prototypes of the strange "ski with fin-control"
emerged on TGR forum in last winter.
We called them "Rax skis" to honor their Austrian birth place.

Heavy discussions on all big European ski/board forums followed then.
As a result Rax skis have been further developed to improve user comfort
and to ease the operation. Fins were moved forward, closer to the ski boots
in order to minimize the effort needed to press the fins in any hard surface.
Rax skis got much wider to promote fast surfing.

Recent models are hand-made wooden cores with all-metal extensions.
Yet the original recycling idea (cutting off used skis
and mounting one-piece extensions on them) was not given up.
 


The function of metal fins:
A)
When skier executes a carve turn
the right or the left side-wall fin starts cutting the hard snow,
such working as a functional extension of the ski edge
and preventing ski tail from skidding away.
Side-wall fins help accelerate the carve turn or modify dynamically
its radius when skier transfers his weight forward or backward.
B)
Raising ski tips presses the center fin in the hard surface
and lets skier "skate down the slope" close to the fall-line.
This is a new type of ski control. We call it "raxing".
At any moment it can be combined with carve, skidded and jump turns
or even plowing.
C)
All 3 fins as well as the swallow-tail automatically cut in snow
and control the direction and speed when surfing down powder or other soft snow.


More than 250 Europeans have tried out Rax skis up to now: snowboarders,
backcountry experts, adult beginners, orthodox carvers, ski acrobats.
Childern and those who never left prepared piste before could suddenly ski
natural snow.
Unlike many adults, kids do not feel ashamed of wearing non-conform skis.


Rax skis are coming to USA now.
You are welcome to test this Austrian invention
or to become a member of hard-core RaxRiders.

Our first stop is New Hampshire and Vermont
from Mar 13 to Mar 23.
Ice Coast and all your beautiful trees and glades: we like you ! 

post #2 of 11

Having looked at RAX ski videos, I am afraid that these skis promote back seat riding like no other. Is this really such a good thing?

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

No, you can carve on groomer as you are used to

and are just getting the support from sidewall-fins.

Look at 2nd video taken by ski acrobats.

 

In extreme steep couloirs you are riding on ski tails and fins

having tips maybe half a meter above the ground.

But you are not "sitting in back seat",

your weight center lies above your boots, not behind them !

Your body and ski are perpendicular to each other.

 

Let me remark. that raising tips is recommendable with all skis and boards

when riding down soft steep terrain just to avoid hitting submerged rocks / stones

 

post #4 of 11

Where would you view these videos?

post #5 of 11

Found them.  Weird.  They do appear back seated, but I believe that's just to work the fins which are at the back (behind the heel).  So I don't think it would transfer over to skiing.  I don't think it's truly like skiing.  More like using roller blades to practice ski technique.  These Rax'ers ( I really don't think it's skiing), are not bending or carving a ski edge at all.  It's quite strange to watch, you see the ski motions in the body they use to initiate and turn and hold oneself again the centrifugal forces, but if you look at the Rax, it is not arced or on edge, the fin is all they use--The ski front seems to be there for balance and float, but rarely has any real pressure working on it. 

 

It might be fun to try, as is rollerblading down hills with ski poles and pilons, and i'm sure ice skating would be too, but I don't view it as skiing.  Wonder what it'll be like going through Vermont's spring Crud.

post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

sorry, there is an amateur video in YouTube

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLzE2O9PNw

 

The 2nd video shows carving on Rax skis 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6mrSiYMuN4

post #7 of 11

How can you watch this section of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLzE2O9PNw#t=1m45s and not say that it puts you in the backseat?

 

It doesn't look like those people have a lot of control on anything except relatively groomed terrain.  Some of those clips, the "raxers" look like they're just along for the ride, hoping they don't bite it.

post #8 of 11

Seems like I've seen "promotions" like this for a couple years now, and I am still not the least bit impressed.  I'm all about skiing innovation, but this just seems like a bad idea in general.  In fact, I'm really hoping I never see these at a US ski resort.  I can't really think of any advantage of the RAX over traditional skis, but here are some possible disadvantages:

 

1) As stated already, these definitely promote backseat skiing.  Combined with increased edge grip in the tail of the ski = much greater chance of a knee injury (or various other types of injury for that matter).

 

2) The skis are way too short.  It seems like we're just about finally done with snowblades, and now these things come along.  You just can't practice good ski form or truly charge any terrain with a tiny ski.  Even in the demo video, the "carving" looks very forced and is only on nearly-flat terrain.

 

3) Since they are so short, I would image they would be terrible in powder.  Some little edge/fin in the back sure won't make up for pure lack of surface area.

 

4) These are potentially dangerous to others.  For some reason it looks like the brakes have been taken off of these skis, so when they catch in some unsuspected ice and cause an eject, they will be blasting down the mountain with nothing to stop them.  And now they have a metal blade in the back to slice up anything in their path (other skis, people, etc).  

 

5) Although less important... the skis look ridiculous.  I imagine this fact alone will keep it from selling well in the US.

 

And I'm sure there are plenty of other disadvantages/dangers as well.  So interesting idea I suppose, but I still can't believe these skis continue to be produced.  They should have been left on the drawing board a long time ago.

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Yeah, this video shows skiing steep terrain with soft or tracked snow.

Originally groomed runs had been churned before we took this vid.

 

The 2nd video shows  "raxing" groomed trails

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6mrSiYMuN4

 

These skiers are never riding in back seat,

otherwise ski tips would be raised

and you could see it very clearly.

 

My message is:

Rax skis let you carve down groomed trails

the same way you are used to.

Sidewall-fins start cutting in the snow when you put your skis on edge.

 

"Raxing" with lifted ski tips is the additional feature

to be used in any critical situation.

An abrupt stop or quick turn at very high speed on groomers,

steep chutes, heavy snow, icy spots, tight trees

are the best examples here.

 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by mordy07 View Post

 

... 

1) As stated already, these definitely promote backseat skiing.  Combined with increased edge grip in the tail of the ski = much greater chance of a knee injury (or various other types of injury for that matter).

 

2) The skis are way too short. ...You just can't practice good ski form or truly charge any terrain with a tiny ski.  Even in the demo video, the "carving" looks very forced and is only on nearly-flat terrain.

 

3) Since they are so short, I would image they would be terrible in powder. ...

 

4) These are potentially dangerous to others.  For some reason it looks like the brakes have been taken off of these skis, so when they catch in some unsuspected ice and cause an eject, they will be blasting down the mountain with nothing to stop them.  And now they have a metal blade in the back to slice up anything in their path (other skis, people, etc).  

 

5) Although less important... the skis look ridiculous.  I imagine this fact alone will keep it from selling well in the US.

 

 

..

1) The base of RaxSki is a standard shaped carver. If you do not lean back,

    you carve as if you had no fins behind.

    But if you activate the fins by either angulating the ski or raising the ski tips

    you get more security than with any conventional shaped ski.

    The reason is:

    Fins force to align each ski in the actual driving direction,

    that is parallel to each other. Why? Just imagine that

    skier's weight is pulling the ski down and fins are braking it.

    The weight acts via ski boots.

    With long carver skis the situation is just opposite:

    heavy torque can appear when extremely shaped

    front edges cut in bumps,

    such causing skis to get skewed.

    So knee ligaments are much safer on Rax skis.

2) "on nearly-flat terrain" ?

    Nonsense, as all Rax skis prefer steep terrain !

3) Oh, I've forgot to show you our extreme wide model

 

15 / 13 / 14 cm let you float over pow and soft bumps 

 

4) No, Rax skis ot more brakes than others: the fins and the swallow tale.

    An unsuspected ice cannot cause an eject,

    as fins are rather stream-lined (fins are no crampons!!)

    and can run over submerged rocks without an abrupt halt.

    The statement Rax skis

    "will be blasting down the mountain with nothing to stop them"

    is a nonsense for they are better maneuvrale than all others

 

5) Snowboards looked  ridiculous to skiers in 1980s..

    Did it keep them from selling well in the US ?


Edited by Cirquerider - 3/12/2009 at 02:29 pm
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

Opportunity to test the Rax skis is on
- Friday Mar 13 at Mt.Cannon the whole day, 12:30pm
lunch in the lodge near the ski school.
- Saturday Mar 14 Magic Mts VT
- Sunday Mar 15 Mt.Cannon again
- Monday Mar 16 Stowe VT
- Saturday Mar 21 Sugarbush VT
- Tuesday thru Friday and Monday Mar 23 not yet reserved
but I can imagine Wildcat and North Conway

 

 

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