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So, I got my old (1980's) Ski Man vise set from my parent's house a few weeks ago. they were last used on a pair of Rossi 4SK's back in the day. I built myself a nice bench in my basement with good fluorescent lighting and plenty of work space. I had checked to make sure that the vises would open wide enough for my Nordica Top Fuels, but it was just a measurement, rather than actually holding them up to the ski. Needless to say tonight I went downstairs to tune up my skis before a trip this weekend to Sugarloaf, and the frikkin vises aren't gonna work.

 

It turns out the sidewalls on the skis aren't high enough for the vises to get a good bite, because of the overall thickness of the top of the ski. I can't put one in the middle between the heel and toe of the binding (with blocks under the tip and tail) because the base of the binding system is too thick to allow the vise to grip the sidewalls.

 

So I guess this means I need to drop another small pile of money on a new set of vises. Any recommendations on a set that will not cost me too much money, is high enough to work with the Marker bindings on these skis (I had to install 2x4 blocks under my current vises because the heel of the binding is too tall and was hitting the table), and aren't going to set me back a fortune?

 

 


Edited by friolator - 3/6/2009 at 01:24 am


Edited by friolator - 3/6/2009 at 02:21 am
post #2 of 13

For something less tradtional, I bought these:

 

http://www.slidewright.com/proddetail.php?prod=T4BSMS2020&cat=50

 

They are amazingly versatile, simple to use, & just plain work!   If I had to buy again, I would.  PM Alpinord to see when they'll be back in stock.

 

post #3 of 13
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thanks - i'm not really sure i understand how that works - the tip and tail part is just for support, and the thing that holds the ski in place is the central piece, which is just a cinch of some kind, pulling the center of the ski towards the work surface?

 

that doesn't seem like it would be that stable. is it?

 

post #4 of 13

Ah - the 4SK.  Another thread referred to the SX 91 boots .... funny but the 4SK was a great ski and the Salomon boots were not so great - but hyped by Salomon supporters.

 

The old skis from that era were sandwhich construction with a lot of sidewall.  Vises gripped the sidewall and skis were tuned base up.

 

If you insist on tuning base up and want to use the old vises you could cut out a piece of 1 x 3 strapping from your lumber store the shape of boot sole and clamp that in one vise - you will then need to support ski fore and aft on something else.

 

The old vises of that era went away with the monocock (sp.?) skis that Elan started which we now refer to as Cap construction.

 

Most newer vises have ski on edge for tuning.

 

Funny - metal edges are the same as with 4SK but today everyone tunes mostly side edge vs back in the day as much base edge as side edge tuning.

 

Gotta love the Rossi 4S - Kevlar!  Helluva ski!

 

Mike

post #5 of 13

I just bought the new Ski Man wide vise from Terry (slidewright.com) and it is awesome.  Great vise. 

post #6 of 13

A search will reveal some information, and quite a bit of semi-informative ado. Given your almost unique propsensity to spell  "vise" correctly, your search might have missed the earlier threads.

 

Your old vise set is, I take it, the two-identical-main-vises arrangement, that was also standard in the '70s? If so, you're kind of out of luck. If it postdated the advent of the current Ski Man design (one main vise, with tip and tail support/clamps), you could still use the tipe and tail pieces, and would just need to get a new central vise. If, as is more likely, that isn't the case, you'll need a whole set.

 

I don't know what you consider a fortune, but here's a nice vise set on sale for $109.95 ("Toko World Cup Vise with tip & tail supports") and -- even better -- for just $10 more they've got a snazzier version that typically goes for a little north of $150 ("Super Pro Vise"). All of these are, so far as I can tell, Ski Man vises, just labeled with different brand names.

 

http://www.tognar.com/vises_benches_tuning_waxing_ski_snowboard.html

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thanks Mike - yeah, it's been a while, and in some ways I miss my 4SKs - they were pretty cool skis.

 

I used to use the same setup for holding the skis in place while doing the base tuning as well as waxing. there's so little sidewall on these skis, I don't think the vises could hold the ski in place for scraping wax though. My vises can hold the ski on edge, but the problem is that the profile of the ski isn't flat enough for it to really grab onto the ski very well. I was able to at least get the edges tuned tonight after making a funky shim to hold things steady. I suppose I could make a permanent set of wood shims that would make that easier to do. But it still means that waxing will be a pain with this setup.

 

skier219 - i'll check out the new Ski Man wides.

 

It's a bummer I can't use mine. i got them right before I stopped skiing back in 1990, so they're practically new, and they're really solid. Turns out my dad had been using them as extra vises in his woodshop all these years! I think he was a little bummed to let them go.

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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post

 

A search will reveal some information, and quite a bit of semi-informative ado. Given your almost unique propsensity to spell  "vise" correctly, your search might have missed the earlier threads.

 

Your old vise set is, I take it, the two-identical-main-vises arrangement, that was also standard in the '70s? If so, you're kind of out of luck.

hah - yes. vise, not vice. always bugged me, that. and I think you're right. Vice does turn up a lot more in search...

 

Mine are as you described - an identical pair. I guess I'll have to get new ones. I've been looking at the Toko World Cups online tonight, and they look nice. I guess $110 isn't too bad. but man, the spending never stops. I thought I had saved myself some money by digging those things up a few weeks ago!

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Originally Posted by friolator View Post

 

thanks - i'm not really sure i understand how that works - the tip and tail part is just for support, and the thing that holds the ski in place is the central piece, which is just a cinch of some kind, pulling the center of the ski towards the work surface?

 

that doesn't seem like it would be that stable. is it?

 

 

I know what you're thinking... I had the same reservations.  The tip and tail are actually supported by a non-slip rubber or silicone surface, while the cinch vise also acts as a brake retainer while securing the ski in place.   I have had no problems with skis coming loose while working on them.  See Terry's custom cinch setup on the SlideWright site.

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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

 

I just bought the new Ski Man wide vise from Terry (slidewright.com) and it is awesome.  Great vise. 

(Thanks & glad you like it.)

 

I read a claim somewhere the 125mm vise can actually open to 130mm. What's the real maximum, Craig? Apparently, they're using the old ski jumping, clamping vises and calling them 'fat ski' vises.

 


Edit: changed width from 120mm to 125mm for link.


Edited by Alpinord - 3/6/2009 at 05:49 pm
post #11 of 13

I'll make a measurement next time I tune.  I have to say, they are very solid and hold the ski well. 

post #12 of 13

The Cinch Vise that Terry sells is fantastic.  I bought one a few months ago and am not at all disappointed.  No slippage and it can handle any ski.

post #13 of 13

Good to hear Vince.

 

Craig, after my previous post, I remembered that I saw 'Up to 130mm' on your box as it was getting packed. A new one just arrived and I measured 123mm pad to pad & 130mm metal to metal. 130 is a stretch, but with pad compression, seems like 127mm (+/-) is a maximum legitimate claim.

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