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When do you use ILE?

post #1 of 11
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What are the pros and cons of ILE vs. OLE and situations that makes one type of transition more advantageous than the other?


BTW, are there other types of transitions used by expert skiers?

post #2 of 11

I retrospective analysis of my skiing, I can recall two "whens" for ILE.

1) When I want to carry more distance between the snow and my cm forward into the next turn than doing an old outside leg retraction or double leg retraction would give me.

2) When I want to recenter and the turn is longer radius than would have it coming around to meet me.


Just thought of another one sort of, when I want to get into the turn a little quicker switch from double leg retraction to OLR combined with ILE as soon as I clear that old inside ski edge.


post #3 of 11
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Ghost, how often do you use ILE? Somehow, I have an image of you as a fast SG kind of skiers most of the time.

post #4 of 11

ChuckT, you probably ment to say OLF or OLR insted of OLE.


In aggressively flexed OLF retraction turns you will go through the transition with your knees bent as much as 90deg sometimes. This doesent matter since you are weightless and floating. Should be anyway. Its a very quick way of making a transition since your CoM does not have to move up and then down again. It moves laterally. You can see this kind of transitions in every WC SL race on TV. The downside is that you can end up in the back seat if you do not manage to recenter before pressure builds up. Note that OLF kind of turns can be made with fearly long and extended legs to start with. So just because your CoM goes up and then down again does not mean that you are not doing an OLF relese.


ILE allows you to have your CoM centered over your skis through the transition. This means better controll of your for/aft balance. You can for instace prolong your transition without any back seat recovery movements. Look for this kind of transition in every WC GS race on TV. I just watched Maze today on TV and she is using this kind of transition a lot. Kind of her style.



post #5 of 11


Originally Posted by ChuckT View Post


Ghost, how often do you use ILE? Somehow, I have an image of you as a fast SG kind of skiers most of the time.


I've probably made many more ILE transitions than OLR transitions, and I certainly used to ski mostly SG type turns and speed for the most part, but a few years back I finally stopped being so pig-headed and got some SL-type skis for the small Ontario HIlls I was stuck at to replace my SGs.   These days I spend more time doing retraction turns, but when I just let my skis run I don't think about it.   I throw the model away and just use my legs to support my self and put myself in the position I desire and bend the skis as I wish them shaped to direct my course.   Only in thinking back can I say that if it's a long radius turn at speed I'm more likely to use ILE and if it's a hard short radius turn I'm probably using OLR or double leg flex to release.   I'm also using all range of turns in between the two extremes, combining ILE, OLR, ILR in whatever quantities suit my taste of the moment.

post #6 of 11

I use to ski with clearly defined outside ski pressure dominance and in that mode I tended to use Inside Leg Extension more in longer turns and Outside Leg Retraction/Flexion more in short quick cross under turns. 


Now I ski much closer to 50% pressure on each foot throughout the turn than I use to so I tend to blend Inside Leg Extention with Outside Leg  Flexion as part of maintaining that 50-50 pressure skiing into every turn transition in all turn sizes.

post #7 of 11

I have to admit, this thread is throwing me off a bit.  I was under the impression that you typically extend the outside leg and flex the inside leg, especially the new inside leg at initiaion.  Am I missing something?


Also, the other day a friend that used to race as a kid was telling me to get my outside heel behind me more, but then the next day an instructor I know as speaking of retracting my inside leg (less tip lead) and thinking about making "telemark" turns.  I thought of these two pieces of advice being contrary to one another.  I tired both today and felt that having less tip lead (flex and retract inside leg) and extending my outside leg into "tele" mode allowed me to pressure the big toe of my outside foot and the little tow of my inside foot. 


A little help would be appreciated. 

post #8 of 11

We are talking about moves you do to end one turn and start another, not what to do during a turn.

post #9 of 11

Very well. 


Can you answer my questions as well, or should i start another thread?

post #10 of 11


I wrote an article on ILE, it's posted on my website.  Here's a link:


Have a read of that.  It's late now and I have to get up in about 5 hours to go to skiing, so I can't write much now, but if you have any more questions after reading the article I'll be happy to answer them.



post #11 of 11

It's all relative.  Telling people to pull their feet back works better than telling them to move their hips forward.  It gets you out of the back seat.


Tip lead is a natural consequence to having one leg bent more than the other.  Too much tip lead is not good, but it messes up your alignment in a number of ways I can't quite explain.  Perhaps someone else will chime in.


You also don't want to have so much tip lead in the belly of the turn that there isn't enough force on the inside ski to decamber it and let it carve too.

Edited by Ghost - 4/2/2009 at 11:38 am
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