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Don't different turns require different technique?

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I've been reading many of the posts about carving and such and a voice keeps echoing in my mind. It's the voice of an old racing coach "different turns require different angulation".

This was prompted by the fact that I used to try to emulate Andreas Wenzel (sp?) in the 70's/80's. He always seemed to have extreme hip angulation.

Now I read many of the posts here that talk to "railroad track turns" "gorilla turns" etc, all in a quest for the perfect two footed carve.

So the question is - don't different turns require different approaches?

Let's assume the basics are in place - good balanced stance, athletic position, arms foward and up (not down by the knees), good pole plant and all that.

Now let's look at the ski action on different turns - here is where I'm looking for feedback from the pros:

1. Smooth groomer: two footed carve.
2. Steep narrow chute: total commitment to the downhill ski - up hill ski used for balance and set-up for next turn?
3. Bumps: narrow stance - more pivot than carve?
4. High speed DH style turn on steep hard terrain - complete comitment to the downhill less you risk a pre-release of the binding. Uphill ski tracks with the downhills ski but has almost 0 weight.
5. High-speed DH/super G type turn on relatively smooth snow - see AJ Kit's photos in January Skiing magazine.
6. Powder: ski as if on both skis and feet are one.
7. Sierra crud - two footed, wide stance, rail-road track turn. Best for busting heavy chop/crud.

I still ski fast groomers with a bit of an A-frame - hard to shake the old 210 style I took 20 years developing - but on the steeper, shorter radius turn I ski more two footed working both skis more than I used to. My biggest problem is that I've only been on shape skis since last winter. I really over work them. Just for grins - here are some shots of my dated technique = http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyA...oll_id=1206467

Anyway, what are the progessions that are taught now to help a person adapt to changing snow conditions, pitches, run-width, and speed?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 16, 2001 09:38 PM: Message edited 2 times, by BillH ]</font>
post #2 of 4
Those descriptions seem to apply exactly to how I ski for different situations too. Although I like to use a narrower stance for crud (I have problems getting one ski knocked off line if they're too far apart).
post #3 of 4
What you refer to may be more a matter of different semantics than fundamental differances in technique.

While I might conciously choose to use a different "technique" from time to time, far more often I just change my tactics, (choise of turn size, shape, type: braking/gliding, unweighted, maintain snow contact) to adjust to terrain or snow conditions or simply just for the fun of it. I choose my tactics and acomplish them by adjusting the blend of my core movements. The blend varies in responce to how I intend for my skis to perform in the snow. Different intended outcomes (blends) result in/from changes to timing, intensity, rate, and duration of my consistant core movements. While my tactical outcome may vary considerably, feedback from others is that my style (technique/core movement image) doesnt vary that much.

Any identifiable "technique" is just a sub-set of the many ways there to acomplish the same type of turn. Maybe the question should be as to what "technique" should one choose for as their bread-n-butter or core movement foundation? I like one that is fun, efficient, easilly adaptable, and provides me with ongoing learning to ski any way I want to. While any of the "techniques" that are situation specific, option limited, or learning constrained may not be my first choice as a core movement package, I still might keep them in reserve for special situations (i.e. platform to platform hop/pivot turns for a steep narrow chute with monkey-snot snow).

If you keep tuning into what your new skis are giving you as feedback (effect), you should be able to develope your core movements (cause) to provide easy adaption to the all the situations you describe. Awareness of how you move first with your feet to control your skis (and orchastrate your bodys moves as well) is the key to learning to make the changes you'd like in your skiing.
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Arcmeister...

yep, very well said. love your work.
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