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Gotamas differences in 08 and 09 versions

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

So I just got back from Utah I had my 09 Goats my buddy had his 08's. We compared them side by side. I keep reading there are no changes but there are for sure. The side walls on the 08's are slanted and on the 09's are more vertical. I haven't seen any posts on this. Can anyone comment?

post #2 of 24
Thread Starter 

I just checked they are more vertical

post #3 of 24

I've been saying this for a while now; most folks go, "Oh it's the same this year except for graphics." Not true. Just that the incremental changes are small, easy to blow off. But they add up.  

post #4 of 24
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But they add up.

To what?

 

 

SJ

post #5 of 24

 

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To what?

 

 

SJ

Uh, to 7.327?

 

Naw, to a ski that's nearly half again as stiff in 08-09 as the 04-05 version, using Volkl's own numbers. No longer a soft ski, now a moderate, and the new vertical sidewall makes it a bit grippier and more precise than the angled. Which = for me a pathbreaking powder ski that became the model for big mountain skis, and now seems more a very fat all mountain. I've owned three of 'em, including original 04, 08, and now 09, so obviously I like 'em I often keep the old one's for a while before I sell them. You notice the diffs when you ski different years back to back on the same day.  

post #6 of 24

I believe the vertical sidewall was the biggest difference and perhaps slightly stiffer? I'm not sure I could tell the difference ( I have the gold 08's).  Next years will have the slightly rockered tip which is interesting.  I do hope that it does not come at a sacrfice of the versatility which is why I prize the Gots so much.  I haven't skiied  a ski that can do so well across a range of snow conditions.  

post #7 of 24

Consider the 2010 Gotama to be an entirely different ski.  I skied it back-to-back with my gold '08s and found that the tip and tail rocker in the new Gotama made it a very different ski.  Sorry to drift OT - just found that the new Gotama would almost be better off with a different name.  Great ski, but not the same as older Goats, IMHO.

post #8 of 24

Alberto...when you say different..do you mean better or worse?  If its worse..I may stock up on an extra pair of Gots so I have them if I want them.  How does it do on-piste and on harder snow.  I prize this ski b/c if really does ski pretty well in conditions other than powder. 

post #9 of 24

I like them both.  To me, they just ski differently.  The 2010 lacks the full twin and that means that it holds a line more like a traditional ski (again, that's a matter of interpretation, but that's how I see it).  I really think that Volkl would have done better to have introduced the new ski as an addition to its lineup.  The old Goat was very versatile and it was, for many places out west, a usable ski on a daily basis.  To be honest, I didn't spend enough time on the 2010 to be able to say that.  The rocker in tip and tail made it very adaptable to a wide range of conditions.  For a wider ski, it also held its own on groomed slopes.  I really liked it.  However, I switched back pretty quickly to my Goats as they are like "ol' faithful" in variable conditions.  I know that this answer is less than satisfying - it's just that the lack of the full twin with the addition of the rocker made it ski quite differently to me.  It's not really good or bad in my book - just a different feel to the ski.  Liked em both. 

post #10 of 24

 

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The 2010 lacks the full twin and that means that it holds a line more like a traditional ski (again, that's a matter of interpretation, but that's how I see it).  

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- it's just that the lack of the full twin with the addition of the rocker made it ski quite differently to me.

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Agree with Alberto that 2010 Gotama is all new. However, 2010 is still a twin tip, so I'm not sure what Alberto means by his comments. For pictures of the 2010 and 2009 Gotamas side-by-side, see the following thread:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/81033/10-volkl-gotamas

 

Regarding 2008 vs. 2009 Gotamas, the only differences I'm aware of are the angle of the side wall and the graphics.

 

post #11 of 24

What I mean (and this is evidenced on the pics - thanks for attaching the link) is that the tail on the new Goat isn't raised as much as on the older models.  Not really a true twin (like the older Goats) - to me the new profile is more a raised tail profile with rocker.  For me, it was not as adaptable skiing switch, though YMMV. 

post #12 of 24

I skied the 2010 Gotama yesterday at Okemo. The surface was firm but edgeable. I could railroad track the new goat's as well as my AC40's. I didn't have the confidence in them that I did when I demoed (for a day) the 08 Gotama at Crested Butte 2 weeks ago.

 

The one twitch I noticed in the new goat was that while RR tracking onto a slight incline I notice the rocker tip engage the rise and decrease the radous of my turn. I think that as long as you were in deeper or cut up snow you may not notice that.

 

The 08 Goats would RR track as well as pretty much any other ski.

 

Haven't had a chance to ski them in deep snow, but I think we all know they will perform well there.

 

I think I'll buy the 09.

 

 

post #13 of 24

I've been on the '10 three times now now and my take so far is......"what in the HAYULL wuz they thinkin when they built this thing?"  Several other very experienced testers share this cornfuzion.

 

I mean heck.....when it ain't broke.....wellllll.....you know.

 

SJ

post #14 of 24

I never got to demo the '10, but you guys are sure making me glad I picked up the '09.

 

(My only rationale prior to all this feedback was that the '10 rocker might be problematic to skin on, in theory.  Not that I've skinned yet, of course.)

post #15 of 24

SJ & others I know you guys have been on the Goat for years. for me I have been on em for 2 days on the new 10's. I did spend a season on the Katana (Loved) and Bridge(um, like but sold) and demo'd every other head, atomic, rossi and K2 over 80mm this season and well.... The new Goats are dope. They pretty much  blow every ski I have tried to date out of the water. I loved my Katana's but the goats offer more stability while being far more responsive (106 mm underfoot, you would never know it), the only minor down is the Katana's offered more float (dah). I have had them in a foot of fresh to rock hard groomers. Sure; not a race ski but everywhere else they are are proving to be solid performers. I had thought of picking up a pair of Chip Monsters with all the hardpack this year but these have me thinking I need a pair of fatter skis way more. Volkl is simply pushing development and design. Like anything it takes time to adapt, appreciate, evaluate the changes. Time will tell if they nailed it or not once more folks have tried em. Right now I'm all smiles

post #16 of 24
How are the 2010 goats in bumps compared to the 2009's?
post #17 of 24
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How are the 2010 goats in bumps compared to the 2009's?

I skied them on some firm edgible bumps when I was testing them. The extended tip profile makes them feel like cheater skis on the bumps (I am not talking pure zipperline bumping, but mortal), I was pleasantly surprised how well they handled. 
post #18 of 24
Let's say you want a powder ski with some versatility (i.e. especially bumps and trees, and some hardapck capability), and your choice is between the K2 Sidestash, Elan 1010, and Gotama, which would you pick?
post #19 of 24
What characteristics do you like in a ski, what is the rest of your quiver? 

Personally, I liked the Obsethed better than the Sidestash. As I would rank them...

1A. Obsethed 
1B. Gotama
2. SideStash
3. 1010.

The Obsethed has a wild graphic, the Gotama, much more subdued, if it came down to that, not a bad choice either way. The Sidestash was blah, not playful at all. The 1010 in like a big frontside ski. I would suggest a Griffon for any of them as a binding. 

 I can get any of them for you and would be happy to hand deliver them to Stowe. 
post #20 of 24
Hey guys; I just bought an 09 pair cause I did not like the 2010 rockered version when I skied them last spring.  It also looks like the number of 100 mm or so skis without rocker is shrinking.  I was on the gold ones for the past two years and am convinced that tail rocker is not a good thing (for me) for my daily driver.  When I skied the 2010 versions the tails were washing out on me on steep terrain (but I was impressed how the ski held up on the groomers though; pretty much the opposite of what I expected).  I know people have varying degrees of trust of magazine reviews but floppy tails popped up as comment in the review.  Still a great one ski quiver but if you've got a quiver full I'll go without tail rocker for a daily fatty.
post #21 of 24
Thanks for the offer, Phil!

The circumstances are such that I am getting a deal "that can't be beat" on a new pair of skis.  This is the major reason that I will buy without demoing a pair -- I figure that, if I don't like them (worst case scenario), I can sell them.  Then I can demo and buy something that I may like better, and I should still come out ahead... 

The rest of my "quiver" is a pair of Head IM88's (175cm) -- previously, I was limited to a one-ski-quiver, and this ski has done it all for me.  The only places that I have trouble are: 1) ice (that I tend to avoid) and 2) waist deep powder (that I almost never see).

I like a ski that has some power to it (without being overpowering), that can vary turn shape fairly easily (and can turn fairly easily), and can handle varying conditions.  When I ski out West (as often as I can),  I tend to ski bumps, trees, chutes, and play on the groomed to get to and from these spots.

I am open to any other ski suggestions (and FWIW, I am 5'11", 175lbs).  I really wanted to buy last year's Gots, but my connection can't get 'em
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post #23 of 24
Funny, I ran into a guy at a ski shop who asked if those gold gots were mine. Sure were. Oh,he said, those are the one everyone wants now, they were softer than the black ones. He seemed pretty into it, so there you go: the gold ones are the best.

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So I just got back from Utah I had my 09 Goats my buddy had his 08's. We compared them side by side. I keep reading there are no changes but there are for sure. The side walls on the 08's are slanted and on the 09's are more vertical. I haven't seen any posts on this. Can anyone comment?

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
I wouldn't say "best" or softer or stiffer is better. I love the 09 version but haven't skied the 08.
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