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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

How long should 25 inches of dry powder stay un-touched before grooming it out into packed powder??

 

I know, this question seems vague.....

 

Simply put, how long should the soft bumps and crud stay on the mountain before it gets groomed?? 2 days?? 3?? 5?? 8??

post #2 of 23

 never?

post #3 of 23

They should be groomed when the troughs between the bumps get scraped down to the gravel.

post #4 of 23

 Actually, probably just before that. Don't want the tiller picking up the gravel.

post #5 of 23

Agreed.  Reason being I don't want my skis picking up gouges.

post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

 

 never?


 

+1

post #7 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post

 

How long should 25 inches of dry powder stay un-touched before grooming it out into packed powder??

 

Trick Question.

 

With the population density of the east coast, 25" of fresh dry powder won't go 'untouched' for more than 2hrs unless it is in trees so tight a field mouse couldn't access it... in which case a groomer sure can't touch it.

 

so, indefinately... ok, well actually until the weather changes so actual answer: maybe 24 hrs.

post #8 of 23


 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

 

 

 

Trick Question.

 

With the population density of the east coast, 25" of fresh dry powder won't go 'untouched' for more than 2hrs unless it is in trees so tight a field mouse couldn't access it... in which case a groomer sure can't touch it.

 

so, indefinately... ok, well actually until the weather changes so actual answer: maybe 24 hrs.

I think  you're wrong and right.

 

Wrong - That population density will (generally) wait until it gets packed down tight before they know what to do with it - I was showing some friends picture of the kids and I in Utah last week with 20+ inches of fresh at Snowbird and the response was - "you ski through that? Don't they groom".
 

 

The right is that within 24 hours, it will warm up, rain hard, then get super cold, putting a 2 inch crust on it, which will then be groomed and packed into something nasty, awaiting the next thaw, rain, freeze cycle we all know and love.

 

 

post #9 of 23

haha sugarloaf right? that 2 feet of powder turned into golfball sized death cookies! 

post #10 of 23

 

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haha sugarloaf right? that 2 feet of powder turned into golfball sized death cookies! 

 

I thought Sugarloaf gets some pretty good snow?

post #11 of 23

they did but they didnt maintain it and on friday, come the rain and sleet, they couldnt groom till saturday morning. When they did, the grommers made golf ball size pieces of hard ice and snow every cm. it was bad enough to make my ski pre relese while going down spillway.

post #12 of 23

#1  This is BS.

Wrong - That population density will (generally) wait until it gets packed down tight before they know what to do with it - I was showing some friends picture of the kids and I in Utah last week with 20+ inches of fresh at Snowbird and the response was - "you ski through that? Don't they groom".

 

#2.  Powder in the east is only avail in the MIDST of a blizzard.  Maaaaaaybe on a bluebird morning after a fast moving overnight dump.  When is the last time you remember a 4pm-6 am dump and then clear skies and light winds?

 

#3.  Leave it for 1 Day.  Then then bye-bye because all the boarders and the kooks will have killed any residual fun ungroomed, tracked-up powder might provide. 

post #13 of 23

There is rarely "powder" in the east coast, although there is often "fresh snow".

 

Once a groomer hits it, it can no longer be considered "packed powder".

post #14 of 23

I have heard of glades being groomed at Mt. Sutton in Quebec. Anybody hear similar?

post #15 of 23

grooming glades? WTF?

post #16 of 23

 Yes it's true. They have a Tucker Sno-Cat which is narrow enough to fit in their "glades".

post #17 of 23

in maine, the glades have trees which are a normal 2-5 feet apart..have fun getting in there

post #18 of 23

Grooming? Sometime between when the 1st person complains about the powder on the trails to management ( usually right after paying for their lift ticket ) to NEVER. I'll vote NEVER.

post #19 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by skieast569 View Post

 

I have heard of glades being groomed at Mt. Sutton in Quebec. Anybody hear similar?

 

Okemo Mountain in Vermont has a glade that you gets groomed (and snowmaking !) ocassionally.

post #20 of 23


 

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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post

 

How long should 25 inches of dry powder stay un-touched before grooming it out into packed powder??

 

I know, this question seems vague.....

 

Simply put, how long should the soft bumps and crud stay on the mountain before it gets groomed?? 2 days?? 3?? 5?? 8??

 

Even if the powder were to remain "unspoiled" by skiers, the wind, temps, or rain would make quick work of it.  The longest I have ever seen dry powder (12" or more) last is about 7 days. 

 

Snow with some moisture to it sometimes lasts a bit longer.  I'm thinking of the Valentines Day and St. Patrick's Day storms from (I think it was two seasons ago).  Although neither of those storms dumped dry powder, the snow did stick around for quite a while (and extended spring skiing by around 2 wks in my estimation).

 

Examples of instances in which dry powder didn't last:

 

1.  On the Sunday before Christmas Gore Mtn. in NY got MORE than 25 inches of dry powder (closer to 36" over Sat/Sun).  I skied it on Sunday, I skied it again on Tuesday, on Wed. December 24th, 2008 it rained.  The result was a powder massacre on a grand and depressing scale.

 

2.  Check MRG's web site right now.  They got 4'+ of snow over a week's time (first dump Wed. Feb. 18, 2009 supplemented on Sat. 2/21 and Sun. 2/22.  Then last Friday, (yes, you guessed it), it rained.  Here's a quote from MRG's web site:

 

Fortunately our Single Chair Weather Blogger, Josh Fox projects a snow storm to refresh conditions with 6-10" beginning this evening and into Monday. Friday's "meteorological sucker punch" turned our  5 1/2' of new snow from truly epic in scope to well, not so much

 

IMHO, in the East something else (wind, freeze/thaw, rain, locusts, plague, etc.) will take care of the powder "problem" you describe long before the "right" time comes to groom it.  I suspect that's why some Eastern ski areas (that shall remain nameless) "preemtively" groom the very next (frickin') night after a storm hits in an effort to keep the snow (or whatever it's going to turn into) on their slopes.

 

STE

post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 

Seems that many are suggesting that we don't get powder here in the East?? Huh?? Imagine that....A bunch of tennis players commenting on skiing in the East. Huh??

 

I have Epic days in the East. Sucks being you!

post #22 of 23

 

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Originally Posted by Ski the East View Post

 Fortunately our Single Chair Weather Blogger, Josh Fox projects a snow storm to refresh conditions with 6-10" beginning this evening and into Monday. Friday's "meteorological sucker punch" turned our  5 1/2' of new snow from truly epic in scope to well, not so much

 

Apologies if you have already seen this on TGR, here is the visual for this analysis...

 

post #23 of 23

The next day.

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