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Rossignol Phantom SC 80

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Has anyone skied these?  I would love to hear what folks consider the pros and cons.  There are a few places selling these for extremely low prices ... wondering if they are worth a look.  Level 7/8-ish eastern skier, 165lbs for all-mountain application.

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I have demoed these at Jay for all mountain skiing. I have skied groomed, crud, moguls and trees in powder with them and they ski great in all conditions. My only suggestion is to be careful with the longer 185 ski as I purchased that after having out the 175 and 180 demo several times. I say that because I find the binding placement or ski not ideal for the type of trails noted that I do. The longer 185 is putting me out of balance constantly. either too much tail being mounted so forward or too much ski for what I do. Things were great with the shorter skis. I could carve fast stable GS turns, tight slalom turns and whip thru the trees and moguls. Now I can do the GS turns and powder but everything else requires constant balance adjustments. If you are looking for soft and manouverable the ski is definitely soft in the tip and tail for someone my weight, 190 pounds and 6 foot. Demo what you buyy is all I can say, not just the ski but the size as the ski can change as the size changes.

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Originally Posted by jmcosmo65 View Post

 

I have demoed these at Jay for all mountain skiing. I have skied groomed, crud, moguls and trees in powder with them and they ski great in all conditions. My only suggestion is to be careful with the longer 185 ski as I purchased that after having out the 175 and 180 demo several times. I say that because I find the binding placement or ski not ideal for the type of trails noted that I do. The longer 185 is putting me out of balance constantly. either too much tail being mounted so forward or too much ski for what I do. Things were great with the shorter skis. I could carve fast stable GS turns, tight slalom turns and whip thru the trees and moguls. Now I can do the GS turns and powder but everything else requires constant balance adjustments. If you are looking for soft and manouverable the ski is definitely soft in the tip and tail for someone my weight, 190 pounds and 6 foot. Demo what you buyy is all I can say, not just the ski but the size as the ski can change as the size changes.

Thanks for the feedback.  So that I can put this in perspective, what level skier are you?  At 165 lbs., would a 170cm length make the most sense?  BTW, can I ask what you paid for your skis?

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for reference: this model series came out of the Bandit model series.

 

taking the changes into account, some of the properties carry across and you may know more people with experience of the Bandit and B series models. Not the same, but background information.

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I am a level 7/8 skier. I am not sure what you will be skiing but would say that any of the skis under the 185 would likely be acceptable depending on what you are planning to do with the ski. The 185 for some reason has a much different ratio of tail length behind the binding. It is almost as though the binding point remained constant relative to the tip and the extra length is all tail. A 170 ski would be very manouverable if that is what you want. And to Davluri's point the ski does ski somewhat the same as the older bandit series.

 

Actually I did not pay for the skiis they were a warrantly claim on a pair of 175 B83 skis I toasted at the beginning of this season. Rossignol was kind enough to replace them with the SC80 at the 175 length and then I went and exchanged them for the longest model looking for better floatation in the deeper snow and better stability on the steeps.

 

Unfortunately I have not achieved the feeling I was looking for with the position the binding was mounted so I am looking to replace the binding with a demo binding mounted back 5 cm and in the full forward position. This way I can move the binding back until I find my preferred balance point or sweet spot.

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Unfortunately I have not achieved the feeling I was looking for with the position the binding was mounted so I am looking to replace the binding with a demo binding mounted back 5 cm and in the full forward position. This way I can move the binding back until I find my preferred balance point or sweet spot.

Let us know where you find the broadest sweet spot after moving the rental binding fore and aft. I ask because after a re-mount of my entire quiver for new boots, I found that mounting forward was best, less tendency to get in the backseat. I am a skier who might be in the backseat a couple times a season, max, but when the bindings were a bit back, that frequency jumped up to a couple times a day. (this on Stormriders and Squads)
 

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I have typically found myself to be the same as you davluri. I am rarely in the backseat and this season had not really been until I started using my newly mounted Rossignol SC80. Interesting you find a forward mount working for you are you mostly on or off piste. I ask because my tips are already driving into the snow at the suggested mount point but I am almost always off piste. On piste I am making some wiked gs like carves but on hard packed moguls I am getting rocked around. My second though was the 185 length was just too much for me but then looking at the tail length after the binding on this ski I think there is a chance that I am just too forward. I will post when I get the binding changed. If anyone else has any experience with the 185 length ski and the mounting point I would like to hear how it is working out.

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I'm 5' 7" and weigh 177lbs.  I bought the 185cm.  With the extended tail on this ski,
it's more comparable to a 180cm ski with a flatter tail.

This is a medium soft ski, more suited for an advanced skier than an expert.

You might look at a thread started by Noodler for my comments.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/92938/binding-mount-position-is-99-of-ski-performance
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I have had these skis 3 years in 165 length (I am 6'1", 170lb) and absolutely loved them.  Great in bumps, tears up the woods.  They are also fat enough for the occasional powder dump (a rarity in Vermont).  They track well on groomers, but unfortunately the turning radius leaves much to be desired.  Any carving is going to be wide, groomers are best tackled either bombing straight down or sliding the back out.  Only problem is that i am getting a bit tall for the skis, and they are becoming less stable on groomers at high speeds.  Any ideas for a replacement?

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Other than the bindings (and the binding rail being mounted forward 1cm on the Voodoo) does anyone know if there are any other differences between the Phantom and the Voodoo besides the graphics? Talking 2009 175cm models.

They're both 122-80-109, 15m turn radius, wood core, 2 sheets metal, shark nose tip, partial twin tip, etc. The Voodoo is available new on the net with bindings for around $200, and there's an online retailer that periodically puts the 175cm Voodoo on sale for $150. Seems like a pretty good deal.

 

Specs/reviews here...

 

Rossignol Phantom SC 80 Skis with Axial2 120 Bindings (DIN 3-12)

Rossignol Voodoo SC80 Skis with Saphir 110 Bindings (DIN 3-11)

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