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post #1 of 18
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I know i myself am fairly new to Epic, But i believe i joined to learn and improve my skills, and surround myself with people who truely enjoy the sport of skiing while remaining commited to helping the sport grow. As you know there are other ski forums that cannot come close to matching the people and there experience as what i have found here! I have noticed alot of new chatter the past few days. Has it ever been brought foward to make Epic a private site to cut down on unwanted post. You know make it to where only an Epic member can allow someone new to join. Is it even possible. Or do new bears come and go very often after a few post without responce. Thanks

post #2 of 18

Who gets to decide that a post is unwanted?  If you aren't interested in a thread, don't read it.  I think this would be a terrible idea.

post #3 of 18

This doesn't fit with what EpicSki has always been about.

 

There are a number of ideas for making even higher signal-to-noise ratio areas for those who are interested. That's part of what the new forum platform is about.

post #4 of 18
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This doesn't fit with what EpicSki has always been about.

 

There are a number of ideas for making even higher signal-to-noise ratio areas for those who are interested. That's part of what the new forum platform is about.

I do apologize, I do not wont to change what EPIC SKI is about. I have found that the people on here are awsome and have alot of expierence to offer. All the pros who offer up there time for the clinics speaks alot of what EPIC truely is. Just noticed  a few things the past few days, This may be normal and they may go away. I know the true bears will always be around.
 

post #5 of 18
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I do apologize, I do not wont to change what EPIC SKI is about. I have found that the people on here are awsome and have alot of expierence to offer. All the pros who offer up there time for the clinics speaks alot of what EPIC truely is. Just noticed  a few things the past few days, This may be normal and they may go away. I know the true bears will always be around.
 

That's much appreciated!

 

Please be sure to report posts that you think are over the line or could use a bit of guidance. It's virtually impossible for the mod team to stay on top of everything, and those reports really help.

 

Thanks for being here... and we look forward to your ongoing participation, too!

post #6 of 18

Well, actually, it's not entirely what EpicSki is not about! Thanks for your note, BerthoudPass, and welcome to EpicSki. I'm glad you found us.

 

Your concerns are shared by many. In my time at EpicSki, I've seen it grow from a cordial, relatively small site (I thought it was huge already when I joined, with 555 registered members!) that provided the fertile ground for some great discussions--to its current state. (How many members do we have now? 30,000-ish? Member-count and "who's online" are two features I sorely miss from the old software, but I'm sure they'll return soon.) Over the years, EpicSki fell victim in some ways to its own success. For some time, the number of registered members doubled every year. The result was that, despite a bunch of great new members of all experience levels, the "signal-to-noise ratio" went way downhill.

 

The site has been attempting to address the problem for some time. Semi-restricted forums like "Ask a Ski Pro" were intended to give members the opportunity to ask a question and get a reply from a selected group of respected pros, without opening the door to every discussion becoming an argument.

 

And the "new EpicSki," which we're obviously still working the bugs out of, will offer many more opportunities. As others have suggested, we don't want to lose what the site has always offered--a free-for-all gathering place for passionate skiers to laugh, discuss, compare notes, argue, gossip, and arrange get-togethers on the hill (and elsewhere--we've actually had at least two couples who met here on-line end up married!). Some of your suggestions will become opportunities for subscribers, as EpicSki seeks to offer some great values on everything skiing--in addition to its core forum-based community. You'll be able to find information and features here that are available nowhere else, with opportunities for personal one-on-one online coaching, along with more "Ask a Ski Pro"-like features (that forum is not currently functional in the new software).

 

So please stay tuned, and continue to offer your insights and feedback. It's gonna be great!

 

Best regards,

Bob Barnes

post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by BerthoudPass View Post

 

I know i myself am fairly new to Epic, But i believe i joined to learn and improve my skills, and surround myself with people who truely enjoy the sport of skiing while remaining commited to helping the sport grow. As you know there are other ski forums that cannot come close to matching the people and there experience as what i have found here! I have noticed alot of new chatter the past few days. Has it ever been brought foward to make Epic a private site to cut down on unwanted post. You know make it to where only an Epic member can allow someone new to join. Is it even possible. Or do new bears come and go very often after a few post without responce. Thanks


 

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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post

 

Well, actually, it's not entirely what EpicSki is not about! Thanks for your note, BerthoudPass, and welcome to EpicSki. I'm glad you found us.

 

Your concerns are shared by many. In my time at EpicSki, I've seen it grow from a cordial, relatively small site (I thought it was huge already when I joined, with 555 registered members!) that provided the fertile ground for some great discussions--to its current state. (How many members do we have now? 30,000-ish? Member-count and "who's online" are two features I sorely miss from the old software, but I'm sure they'll return soon.) Over the years, EpicSki fell victim in some ways to its own success. For some time, the number of registered members doubled every year. The result was that, despite a bunch of great new members of all experience levels, the "signal-to-noise ratio" went way downhill.

 

The site has been attempting to address the problem for some time. Semi-restricted forums like "Ask a Ski Pro" were intended to give members the opportunity to ask a question and get a reply from a selected group of respected pros, without opening the door to every discussion becoming an argument.

 

And the "new EpicSki," which we're obviously still working the bugs out of, will offer many more opportunities. As others have suggested, we don't want to lose what the site has always offered--a free-for-all gathering place for passionate skiers to laugh, discuss, compare notes, argue, gossip, and arrange get-togethers on the hill (and elsewhere--we've actually had at least two couples who met here on-line end up married!). Some of your suggestions will become opportunities for subscribers, as EpicSki seeks to offer some great values on everything skiing--in addition to its core forum-based community. You'll be able to find information and features here that are available nowhere else, with opportunities for personal one-on-one online coaching, along with more "Ask a Ski Pro"-like features (that forum is not currently functional in the new software).

 

So please stay tuned, and continue to offer your insights and feedback. It's gonna be great!

 

Best regards,

Bob Barnes


 

 

Bears come in all shapes and sizes, they come and go, disappear and then reincarnate.  In my few short years I have seen Bears that don't even ski, have unbelievable expertise and experience and every other type of skier you would want to meet.  As you spend more time here you will easily recognize the imposters.  The primary point to me is the new friends I have met and enjoyed skiing with on the slopes. I miss some of our prior Pro's posting here and hope they will return.  Everything considered a great site and some really great people.  Welcome hope to ski with you some day.  Pete

post #8 of 18

As one who usually post more noise and less signal I hope that Epic will always be a welcoming social spot for people who are passionate about our sport. I don't cloud up the serious threads but I smooze with the bears much as one would in the bar after a day out. This is my apres ski hangout. Because of the wealth of knowledge here and the eagerness to share, what I could offer has already been given. When I seek specific answers I go to what are now the wikis or the instruction threads because I've meet and skied with some of our best coaches. I know them and trust their knowledge.

 

So as the new Epic platform strives to reduce noise and offer more for the serious dedicated skier, I hope there will always be a place for the dedicated silly skier.

 

Welcome to Epic, BP

 

Correction: mis-spoke about 'our best coaches'. They are all great. What makes a few 'best' for me is the rewarding time I've spent in their charge.

post #9 of 18

Has anyone else noticed that locking people out of some of the forums makes the threads kind of boring? I believe that any question posed to the boot pros for example posted in an open forum like gear discussions would garner a more valuable response. The enthusiasts as a group know as much as the pros and are more willing to share their knowledge.

post #10 of 18
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Has anyone else noticed that locking people out of some of the forums makes the threads kind of boring? I believe that any question posed to the boot pros for example posted in an open forum like gear discussions would garner a more valuable response. The enthusiasts as a group know as much as the pros and are more willing to share their knowledge.

I agree 100% and I believe that Epic needs to change the policy on how these forums are handled.  I have had multiple posts deleted since the move since I didn't notice that the post was in a "locked" forum.  At least on the old site I wouldn't end up wasting time on the post.

 

If the forums can't be locked from new posts from anyone why not change the policy now?  I would prefer that the "so called" experts designated for the forum decide whether or not a post should be allowed to remain or be deleted.  If they decide the post should be deleted then a short explanation PM'd to the poster would be great.  I think it would be a wash on the amount of effort as things currently stand.  The mods wouldn't have to be constantly looking for "non-expert" posts in these locked forums.

 

Honestly - the post I lost today just about made me reconsider my level of participation at Epic.  These "locked" forums didn't even exist before my injury and hiatus.  I don't think the current policy is best for the posters or the experts as it leads to some pretty "flat" threads on subjects where the poster would have gotten some great "real-world" experience advice.

 

I'm done now.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 

Has anyone else noticed that locking people out of some of the forums makes the threads kind of boring? I believe that any question posed to the boot pros for example posted in an open forum like gear discussions would garner a more valuable response. The enthusiasts as a group know as much as the pros and are more willing to share their knowledge.

 

Agree 100%. 

 

I have seen *wrong* answers posted in the "experts only" threads that nobody could jump in and correct, and I have seen threads go unanswered for days (or permanently) that could have been easily handled by any knowledgeable person here.  To top it off, some of the questions posted in those threads must be an annoyance to the true experts -- like why is a boot fitter needed to answer a question about walking across a parking lot in boots?  Those types of questions -- what I'd call low hanging fruit -- could be answered by anyone and don't need to take up the time of a fitter.

 

post #12 of 18

The Boot Guys and Ask a Pro were added for very specific reasons: posts were being made that were wrong, misguided, and sometimes downright dangerous. In addition, it seemed good that there would be a place people could go for an answer from a "trusted source". For many here, the open forums are just fine. For others, being able to get an answer from a known and trusted expert is of higher value.

 

The current limitations of the platform are beyond frustrating in this area, and I hope that we'll see this addressed in one way or another shortly. Nonetheless, I disagree with the opinion that this approach is wrong-headed. I think that it's very useful in an Internet world full of anonymous "experts" who really don't know what they're talking about and innocents who could be hurt by that. The noise produced in the open forums when these kinds of issues were addressed there is the very reason for these more "locked down" forums. 

post #13 of 18

Noodler, I saw your posts and thought the input was right on, but being in the Ask the Boot Guys forum, it put us in a difficult position.  The next mod along apparently zapped the posts.  I will instruct the moderators to copy the posts and provide them back to you in a PM before deleting.  By providing posts inadvertently made back to the author, it can be sent in a PM or used to create a new thread in the Gear Discussion forum.

 

If a member wants the input of the community, there is a gear discussion forum where they can have that.  However, we will continue to keep those forums for reply exclusively by the pros.The ability to post a thread and receive only the feedback of the pros, is unique, and while some of you may find it boring, it meets a different need than the public threads. 

 

I hope the permissions based restrictions are implemented soon and that they are done even better than the old site where you got the "no permission" message AFTER you tried to submit a post.  My hope is that you will receive a message as soon as you click the reply button so you don't waste your time.

 

Please don't take the restrictions in that forum personally.  If it was open for posting replies by all members, it would be another gear discussion forum.  We already have that, and its probably the most popular forum on Epic.

post #14 of 18

I've offered input (or constructive criticism) via PMs to the Pros from time to time when I thought I had a good answer to a thread they were working on with another Bear. It was well recieved and appreciated and usually ended up in their thread replies.  I don't do it often, but will if I think I really have something right on target to contribute to the topic/question.

post #15 of 18

I don't think it is common knowledge that these forums are "locked".  Do these posters know that only the designated experts can reply in those forums?  There should be some kind of notice (other than a link to the rules, etc.) at the top of the forum that they're only going to get replies from a limited number of designated experts and that if they want additional input they're going to have to cross-post to an "open" forum.

post #16 of 18

I don't really know what else to do until the permissions based posting is fixed.   I think its important to preserve the content that has been posted inadvertently as a result of our loss of permission based restrictions, but to be honest, its not much different than on the vBulletin site.  At vB Epic you got no warning until after you tried to post.  So, we never saw the frustrated members who had their posts zapped automatically.  The correct solution is to ensure that notice comes up BEFORE you write a post.  It is a high priority and will happen soon, but the search engine is at the top of that list, and permissions is currently tied with development of moderator and administrative tools.  I'm inclined to give the nod to permissions development because its a direct benefit to the community and will also solve one of the moderator's bigger problems.

post #17 of 18

I think a huge part of the problem is that there are 39 separate forums, instead of opening up each forum to see what has been posted, most of us just press the "all new posts" button, and thus accidentally reply to things in the restricted forum. I have done this myself, although I was replying to a very general question. Do we really need 39 different forums? If the forums were less spread out would it be easier to navigate?

post #18 of 18

We are open to streamlining the forums.  This question was posed to the member advisory planning group, and we received no input or ideas as to which forums to consolidate.  If you want to undertake consolidation ad-hoc, the best way would be to post a thread with a proposal here, and get input. 

 

BTW there are many more than 26 forums, that is just what your permission level gives you access to.  You don't see four supporter area forums, three private instruction area forums, The bootfitters Shop Room, the Sponsor's Store Room, two private ESA forums, an advisory group planning forum, four moderator area forums, two administrative planning forums and several archive and inactive forums like EpicSki Auctions and Special Events.  Believe me, my screen is about to explode and I support any initiative to consolidate.

 

You can collapse the forum index structure by using the minimize buttons at the upper right side of each major forum category.  So if you don't want to see the snowboarding forums or Off-Season Sports,  just minimize them.

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