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Ski Chatter

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Chatter is tough.  Some skiis are worse than others.  

 

My feeling about chatter is that it all depends on setting up a smooth turn entry with carving in the top half of the turn.   If you attempt to pivot the skis or skid them, then there is a good chance they will chatter.  If you arc them, top to bottom, then they should not chatter.

 

If you are forward on the tongues of your boots with pelvis forward as you initiate the turn, tipping onto the new edges at that time, then the skis will bend and carve.  If you are less effective in this regard then they will skid a bit before you finally get around to engaging your edges and by then it will be difficult to avoid chatter. 

 

post #2 of 14

I will also have to say that the type of ski you are on matters a lot.  Last week, I tried a pair of volkl 6 stars--the skis had no chatter at all.  Switched to a pair of K2 Public Enemy's----chatter central.

 

If your ski chatters a lot, it may not be stiff enough.  Or it may not be tuned properly.

post #3 of 14

To summarize--the cause of your chatter is one or more of the following: your skis, your ski tune, your bindings, your boots, your alignment, the steepness of the slope, the firmness of the snow, or your technique.

 

Good luck.

post #4 of 14

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Originally Posted by kriss View Post

 

I have been trying to emphasize carving(with very mixed success-can't seem to get high enough up on edge) but I also notice an intermittent problem-on finishing a turn sometimes one of my skis will 'chatter' and leave a track like this: ___
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(but much closer together to each other)before resuming its direction. do you know the cause for that type of 'chatter'? thanks.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by borntoski683 View Post

 

Chatter is tough.  Some skiis are worse than others.  

 

My feeling about chatter is that it all depends on setting up a smooth turn entry with carving in the top half of the turn.   If you attempt to pivot the skis or skid them, then there is a good chance they will chatter.  If you arc them, top to bottom, then they should not chatter.

 

If you are forward on the tongues of your boots with pelvis forward as you initiate the turn, tipping onto the new edges at that time, then the skis will bend and carve.  If you are less effective in this regard then they will skid a bit before you finally get around to engaging your edges and by then it will be difficult to avoid chatter. 

 

 

Agreed.

 

If the front half of the inside edge of the outside ski is pulling you around the arc from the very beginning you'll have the least chance of chattering at the bottom of the turn.  If the skis are thrust sideways in the bottom of the turn to scrub off speed, they'll all chatter.

post #6 of 14

As long as you are slicing a clean carve by fall-line, it should'nt matter. The rest then is a matter of pressure control and how fully you need to "complete the turn".

post #7 of 14

err... umm... what is chatter?

post #8 of 14

 

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Originally Posted by 5ki8um View Post

 

err... umm... what is chatter?

 

www.thefreedictionary.com/chatter

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Originally Posted by karpiel View Post

 

 

 

www.thefreedictionary.com/chatter


 

It's the usage in skiing I was asking for.

post #10 of 14

 

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Originally Posted by 5ki8um View Post

 

err... umm... what is chatter?

 

I was thinking the same thing!  Seriously, I always considered ski chatter to be what I get on a flat or carved ski which is it is too short or torsionally too soft and is there fore unstable at speed. That riding a shopping cart across tile feeling.

 

This forum seems to be telling me that chatter is what I feel when I use poor pressure control ( I agree with borntoski here, often caused by poor initiation), and my skis bite and slip/jump and bite and slip?  I consider this just to be instability; an inability to hold my edge due to some poor technique in my current turn, I never called this chatter.  When seeing this in others I always used it as a symptom to start looking for stance and pressure issues that could be causing it, along with snow conditions which can cause altered technique, stance and control issues.

 

Anyhow, is this chatter?  Is this what people are referring to when they say my ski chatters at speed?

 

 

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

Ski chatter is when your edged ski hops out of its arcing track repeatedly.  It normally happens if you are going for more steering angle then the arc, probably trying to control your speed, but instead of getting a nice feathered brush of the edge like a knife on butter, the ski instead catches on the edge, hops, hops hops, sideways out of the clean arc'd track.  Happens very fast and feels like chattering.

 

 

post #12 of 14

Interesting, Borntoski, teach an old dog new tricks.  The problem with the writtten word is, one can only presume what it means without seeing. 

 

Thanks

post #13 of 14

4. To vibrate or rattle while in operation

 

 

 

post #14 of 14

I have to disagree about "All" skis will chatter. I just skied a pair of Elan Race SX 168cm skis. supposedly a de-tuned FIS slalom ski. In a carved turn, no chatter at all, on hard pack where setting an edge is necessary to maintain control, predictable chatter. My Volant Genesis 165's have never chattered and I have not changed my skiing style between them and the Elans...I used to have a pair of skis that chattered a lot bit it's been so long I forget the model. Best wishes! Ski ON!

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