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I tried snowboarding for the first time

post #1 of 18
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So this past weekend I tried decided to try snowboarding for the first time. Before I get bombarded I was taking a friend up to the mountain for his first time and since I would be spenidng all my time on the greens and blues anyways I may as well try it.(Did I mention this friend was from Honduras and had never seen snow before this eyar but thats a nother story).

 

Anyways, I came to several conclusions after my day of trial.

 

1. Skiing is infinetly better

 

2. Snowboarding is not that hard and certainly isn't any harder.(To those who claim the fact that u fall more means its harder: What do u expect when u strap both feet to a single board, you have no way of regaining balance.)

 

3. Skiers are often times inconsiderate to boarders. I don't mean directly or verbally but for example I was obviously new to boarding and when I would attempt to get on lifts no one made any effort to make easier for me and gave me dirty looks if even happened to tap their skis.

 

4. Snowboards do not have the same mauneverability as skis so that means when they get cut off (intentionally or not) it is extremly hard to avoid people.

 

5. Why the hell would you want to put up wiht all the hassel

 

Finally I happy to let everyone know that my friend decide that boarding sucks and that he would learn to ski next time when we went.

 

I just thought it was interesting being on the other side of things and though I would share my experience with everyone. 

post #2 of 18

Second point 2.

post #3 of 18

My son (one of the two) tried snowboarding last Sunday as well.

After a few years of not skiing at all (totally for them), we went skiing two Sundays ago, and this past sunday

tehy went again. Son number 1 rented skis again, son number 2 decided to give it a go, since all their friends that were with them were on snowboard (I couldn't go...)...Also, they saw again after a couple of years an ex class-mate (a girl) and...well never underestimate how hormones play a role in teen agers when it comes to

take a decision...

Well, son number 2 rented a snowboard and went boarding with the other boys and girls and the mother of two of them (a boarder as well and a friend of mine)...

1 : my son is 75 kg, my friend 50 kg. Son 2 kept falling and couldn't manage to get up...

                              Friend had to try and lift him up every time. An thankless task...

                              After the first run both were drenched in sweat...

2: If someone is used to ski since age 3, forcefully will compare the two situations and

                             decide that boarding is too difficult (it is not) because of the number of falls.

3 : Hormones and their role...after one run with the ex-classmate, son reported "That woman managed to confuse my mind even more" I haven't dared to ask in which way...

 

All in all, my friend reported that they had a blast and spent the afternoon laughing their butts off...

Son number 1, even if renting skis, went with the other youngs in the snow park and had a blast as well...

I guess what next Christmas gift will be (snowpark skis...) but asked me "permission" to  rent a board next coming Sunday (why not,  they've reached an age where the can start to explore things ,within limits, and decide what good for them)

Meanwhile, son number 2 said that he will revert to ski because his butt is too sore for all the tumbles he's taken...

Still, they both enjoyed the day, and asked to have a re-run next Sunday rather than go with their mother on a little road trip to..somewhere...

I guess that mainly it has to do with hanging out with same age teen agers...which, sincerely, beats the hell out of skiing with me, or road tripping with their mother,I think.

 

 

Alas I wasn't there to witness all this, but spent an hour over the phone last evening laughing like a madman at the day chores recount (by my friend)

 

 

post #4 of 18

Thanks for the story. I'm doing the same thing this Saturday. I'm giving up a ski day to learn how to boad with some friends from the east coast, two who have never been at a ski resort before. I guess we should all see how the other side rides at least once.

post #5 of 18

 I do both and would like to offer some comments.

 

1. I pick the right tool for the job.  If it is icy or if there is a lot of loose snow, skiing is much easier and more enjoyable.  If it's hero snow or powder, a snowboard is a blast.  There is no better feeling than ripping clean lines on a snowboard in untracked freshies.  Nothing like it.  Better than sex.

 

2. The initial learning curve is harder on a snowboard.  If you are reasonably co-ordinated, you can snowplow or do skidded turns on skis on your first day.  Not so on a snowboard.  With rare exceptions, you will be struggling for 3 days minimum.

 

3. Goes both ways.  I find boarders, because of your point in #4, are often unable to avoid a collision, even minor ones.  In lift lines, because they have no poles, they are often running into or over the tails of your skis/boad.

 

4. For sure.  On a board, I can't change direction as quickly as on skis.  Especially when I am on an alpine snowboard.

 

5. I tell all my adult friends to not bother learning boarding.  I tell them if they are good skiers, they will hate the flailing around on a snowboard during the learning phase.  That being said, snowboarding appeals to the minimalist because you've got a board and that's it.  You tuck it under your arm and go.  With skis, you have a pair of them and two poles.  They are heavy and a hassle a lot of the time.

 

 

post #6 of 18

I started boarding back in the early years (late '80s) of boarding here in Italy, but then decided to stick with skis.

My decision had nothing to do with not liking the snowboard or boarders, neither how difficult it is to learn it. It was simply a matter of concentrating on what I thought was my "core businenss" (read $/£/€)...

I wanted to try it all, cross country, skiing (two boards at least, GS and SL), snowboarding, inline skating (summer activity), mountain biking, kayak,  etc etc...

This overflow of tools could easily cut a big dent onto someone re$ourc€$ (it's easy to acquire stuff, but the problems come when it is time to replace old material, especially if too many are getting  the "o" at the same time)...So, I trimmed down things.

I can understand why my sons want to try it, though. It's a matter of hanging with their own friends in the park, chat, sit and play. Heck, if I had the resources, I'd do the same.

 

Added : even more important if you want your sons to "follow suit" with this sport...expenses get multiplied in kind...

 

Edited to correct spelling here and there and verbs tenses...hopefully it's clearer now...

 

 


Edited by Nobody - 2/26/2009 at 09:08 am
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by 2meke View Post

 

Second point 2.

 

Yeah right, just because it's harder to stay upright doesn't mean snowboarding is more difficult than skiing.

post #8 of 18

I was 'attempting' to agree with the OP that snowboarding is pretty easy.Technically not very challenging.
 

'Q.What do you call a person who has snowboarded for 3 days? A. An instructor.'

post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by ontario View Post

 

 I do both and would like to offer some comments.

 

1. I pick the right tool for the job.  If it is icy or if there is a lot of loose snow, skiing is much easier and more enjoyable.  If it's hero snow or powder, a snowboard is a blast.  There is no better feeling than ripping clean lines on a snowboard in untracked freshies.  Nothing like it.  Better than sex.

 

2. The initial learning curve is harder on a snowboard.  If you are reasonably co-ordinated, you can snowplow or do skidded turns on skis on your first day.  Not so on a snowboard.  With rare exceptions, you will be struggling for 3 days minimum.

 

3. Goes both ways.  I find boarders, because of your point in #4, are often unable to avoid a collision, even minor ones.  In lift lines, because they have no poles, they are often running into or over the tails of your skis/boad.

 

4. For sure.  On a board, I can't change direction as quickly as on skis.  Especially when I am on an alpine snowboard.

 

5. I tell all my adult friends to not bother learning boarding.  I tell them if they are good skiers, they will hate the flailing around on a snowboard during the learning phase.  That being said, snowboarding appeals to the minimalist because you've got a board and that's it.  You tuck it under your arm and go.  With skis, you have a pair of them and two poles.  They are heavy and a hassle a lot of the time.

 

 

Excellent analysis.  I'd agree with all points except #5.  Twelve years ago I resumed skiing after a 34 year absence from the sport and took boarding the same year.  I had been warned to expect four days of hell and that was indeed the case.  Today at 62 I split my time 50/50 between the two pursuits.and would hate to give up either.  I frequently ski and board the same day as I did at Telluride in the shots below.

 

board ski telluride

 

I haven't done a halfpipe competition in four years and figure that event is behind me now that I'm a grandfather. Today my focus is on racing and I'm happy to report I had my first NASTAR "Double Platinum" Day this season earning that medal in both events. 

 

I'm certainly not advocating that anyone give up skiing but don't be quick to dismiss boarding.  Once you get through the arduous learning curve you'll have mastered another fun way to come down the mountain.

post #10 of 18

I also board, but like skiing better.  I lost a lot of respect for boarders once I tried it.  Boarding is beyond a doubt the easiest sport I've ever tried.  It's also lots of fun.  The respect issue has to do with people who are too lazy or stupid to learn to use their tool.  I know many boarders who are great.  I self taught.  I started on Eagles Rest (beginner area at JH).  I did falling leaf into turns for a few hours until it felt good.  The falls on the heel side are a real bitch and do hurt.  Then I went to Apre Vous (intermediate at JH) and had a rough run on the steeper stuff.  Went back to the beginner area for a few runs, then up the Tram.  About a 6 hour curve to be able to carve and shape a decent turn and flat spin in both directions.  Too easy!  I was a very good skier and had been watching and talking with boarders for a long time, but 6 hours!  It didn't take much longer to be able to ride in bumps and on double blacks with out side slipping.  I am not that great on a board, but I am pretty decent.  I don't like having both feet on one board which makes it hard to do any traversing or moving across the hill.  A snowboard is a great fall line tool.  I also hate running out of gas on the flats and needing to mess with the gear on every lift ride.  Snowboarding is definitely easier both to learn (after the initial learning of the heel side move) and on the body.  When I am older I might snowboard more than I do now.  To be completely fair...  It is easy to get to a certain point if you are already an expert skier.  After a while the learning slows and it takes more time to be really good.  A lot of people might see me board and think I'm "good" compared to all the crappy boarders out there, but I would need to do it a lot more to be keeping up with my hard core friends. 

 

The difference between a snowboard student and a snowboard instructor...  About three days

The difference between a ski instructor and a snowboard instructor...  A Snowboard instructor doesn't think he can teach skiing

post #11 of 18

I agree that snowboarding IS easier - at least on your body - than skiing.

 

Again, the only thing is...  when you fall on the same spot more than twice.  You will then tense up and the impact forces on that same spot invariably increases.  Anyone who has been a snowboard instructor has seen this happen on a regular basis.  THIS is what creates that breaking point for so many participants.

 

I implore anyone trying snowboarding for the first, second, third or any number of times (still in the beginner stages) to obtain a few pieces of protective padding before donning the snowboard boots.  This will immensely increase your confidence, ego and desire to continue the sport.  Regardless of skill level or lack of, wear at least a helmet and Impact Shorts.  The shorts are made by Burton though I used a very comfortable pair under my ski/board pants made by Dr Bone Savers called A**phault shorts (very comfortable and kept my cheeks from getting cold/wet).  The other optional items, very effective for those still learning and was shedded when my skills got better, are snowboard knee pads, elbow pads and over-the-gloves wrist guards (highly recommended).  Borrow these, rent these or buy these.

 

Eliminating serious bruises/pain on your first time or two out makes a huge 'impact' on overall feelings of enjoyment and wanting to quit or continue.

 

just my 2¢

 

post #12 of 18

As a longtime skier/recent snowboarder I have to agree with Ontario.  On a powder day, I grab the board- it's an amazing liquid feeling, just like surfing, except the mountain isn't moving under you. In trees I prefer skis for safety, since boards are not nearly as responsive; on hard packed or ice, skis give you twice as much edge grip.  Which is why snowboarding has that quick learning curve; two edges to deal with as opposed to four.  

 

My advice for learning to ride as a skier is to start with your bindings set more parallel to the board.  As you begin to link turns, gradually rotate the bindings to a more perpendicular stance.  It helps makes the change from side to side edging (skiing) to heel/toe (riding).

 

I always thought riders were oblivious until I tried it and realized how limited your peripheral vision is on heelside turns.  Something to think about when you overtake a snowboarder on the left (or right if he's goofy).

post #13 of 18

I got to agree with the OP.

 

The HASSLE part to me is the biggest turn off. I'm in the midwest so you can just image how many damn times in one day your on taking one boot out and then sitting on your butt and putting it back in. Over and over and over and over. I'm only in my mid 30's and get tired just watching my daughter dink around all day with the snowboard.

 

 

P.S.: I'm not sure if its the same at your local hills but the snowboarders here 6 out of 10 of them are punks. Even my daughter who is 12 doesn't like most of them. It's like your an asshole teenager who could careless about anything, you snowboard and bring that attitude to the hill everyday. Some of the crap I see I'd love to be a ski patroler. Though I'd might have to carry a bag around with me to hold all the clipped lift tickets I'd accumalte over a day. :) I know some skiers are like this but that number seems minimal to the snowboarders.

post #14 of 18

I was riding a chair with a skier  who turned to me and joked:

 

Q: What's the difference between a vacuum cleaner and a snowboard?

A:  How you attach the dirtbag

 

Kidding aside, I agree strapping in for every run is a pain.  Makes waterproof pants a must.  But, I use Burton step in bindings so I just click in as I get off the chair.  What I give up in foot to board transfer is worth the convenience.  Burton's system is not as wobbly as the K2 clicker.  Don't even consider the DNR system (Do Not Ride).  

 

I think the bad rap boarders get comes the youthful demographic.  Thankfully, most teen boarders hang at the terrain parks, leaving the trees and powder for us old guys.  BTW, I've lately switched to riding after lunch on a ski day to ease my barking knees, thus delaying the inevitable knife.

post #15 of 18

I find snowboarding more difficult than Telemark skiing  on the man-made we have around here, I've been doing both about the same amount until recently. In powder, snowboarding might be easier, I never wasted a powder day snowboarding (or on fat skis either, haha).

post #16 of 18

I tried snowboarding when it first started to evolve to a legit sport in the early 80s.  I rode skateboards all summer long for many years so I thought I'd like it.  It wasn't difficult for me, but I enjoyed skiing much more.  I took up surfing in the mid 80s and still surf and skateboard. I skate and surf in the summer srping and fall because I can't ski then. 

 

If I had started skateboarding before I learned to ski I'm almost certain I could prefer snowboarding to skiing.  I always give snowboarders the benifit of the doubt regarding charactor though I am disappointed when they behave badly.  There are also spoiled little brats wearing skis though..  

 

 I also give snowboarders more room when sharing a lift because I understand that it reallly is harder for them.  I really don't care about my topsheets unless someone were to damage them intentionally.

post #17 of 18

Grew up surfing, 20 plus years of it.  Currently have been skiing for 10 years and everyone I know or speak to are surprised that I don't snowboard. 

 

Well, here's the reason, tried snowboarding for a day about 7 years ago and like original poster, I did not find it that difficult to pick up.  However, while boarding has a different feel than surfing, it is similar in stance to make me feel like I'm surfing.  I guess I just wanted something different.  So if I'm in a warm tropical climate, I'll surf.  In snow coverd mountains, I'm skiing. 

 

Plus, did you notice the high percentage of snowboarders on the mountain? Pretty soon skiing will be the cool thing to do!

post #18 of 18

Telemark turns feel more like surfing than alpine turns. Put the weight on the back foot and carve big turns (when the snow is soft). Heel raisers rule.

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