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Diverging skis help!

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
My skiing partners pointed out today that my inside ski is diverging and is exhibiting excessive lead. I could rectify most of this by making sure I pull back my old outside - new inside ski before turn initiation. However, my right inside ski (right turns) still shows a bit of divergence.

This is an interesting new issue since I never had this problem before. I am have on new boots, second time out on them. Review of videos of me last week in my old boots does not reveal any sign of diverging skis and excessive inside ski lead. Obviously I like to blame it on the new boots and perhaps improper alignment. Yes, the boots have been fitted one time by a decent bootfitter; there are custom ground insoles.

Any insights on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 11
Joe if you are certain the divergence was not present in the old boot then what is the difference in forward lean of the boot cuffs between old and new? Excessive or not enough forward lean could result in tip lead.

Difference in ramp or boot flex stiffness may also contribute.

One other thing could be lateral stiffness. You may now be oversteering the inside ski with the new boots using the same physical inputs you used in the old boots.
post #3 of 11
Stiffer boots would cause the inside ski to hook up faster and you if are not compensating or adjusting for this the skis will diverge

If the new boots are stiffer, and you provide them with the same input, more energy will be transmitted to the front of the ski causing it to attempt to turn a tighter radius. Are you comfortable on these new boots, do they fit you well? can you flex them?

If so, I think I would have you ski them for a while being aware that this might be an issue. Learn how they hook up and feel. be aware of the tip lead issue and see learn how to lighten up on the input. Play with how much pressure you give them. Then see what happens.

A good exercise I've found is create an image in your mind of your boots having a race. The outside boot is always trying to get in front or beat the inside boot around the turn. It's almost impossible but it really changed the way I pressured my boots. It also got my hips where they needed to be and transitions from one turn to the next got a lot quicker.
post #4 of 11
I wonder about cuff alignment/canting issues in the new boots?
post #5 of 11
Originally posted by RiDeC58:
I wonder about cuff alignment/canting issues in the new boots?
That of course is also a possibility but I'm giving the benefit to the fitter that he checked for this.
post #6 of 11
Inside ski lead was always a problem for me, and somehow the advice "pull the inside ski back" didn't resonate with me, but I got it a different way: If I instead think about feeling forward pressure on _both_ boot cuffs through the first half of the turn, letting the front of the boot cuffs hold me up, then I naturally flex both ankles, keep the hips forward, and avoid excessive lead by the inside ski.

Even if you have great boot canting, make sure that you are actually getting forward enough in the boots--how forward you can get in the boots is also somewhat adjustable. (I had screws removed in my boots, slightly increasing forward flex, and ski with them a little looser than most people, specifically to promote greater forward flex, because that's my issue.)

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thank you for everyone's input so far. They have been most helping and give me something to think about.

Yes I watched again a video myself the previous week. My skis were parallel. No divergence. Today, I could even feel the tails of my skis banging against each other sometimes. Pretty weird.

Yes, the new boots are a bit stiffer, but only a slight bit. The forward lean feels about the same in both old and new. Also I had needed heel lifters inside my old boots. When I got my new boots, I initially transferred both my custom foot beds AND the lifters to the new boots. I found that I was much too far forward, and I didn't like the feel. So I ended up removing the lifters, and I felt much better.

The new boots are also one shell size smaller, but I feel very snug in them. The old boots were pretty well worn out. I am finding the new boots much more sensitive. In fact, even with the heel lifters out, I have no trouble being on top of them fore/aft-wise. I really like how responsive they are. The first time out, I was really overturning on them.

Pierre and Dchan, you might have a point. I may be oversteering the inside ski using the same physical pressure as before. I will start by taking your suggestion and take a while to get used to the more sensitive touch in my new boots. Interesting idea for the drill Dchan. I will play around with that idea a bit this weekend.

RiDeC58: Of course there is still a chance that there is alignment/canting/stance issues despite the fitting. However, for me to take it back to the bootfitter at this point for corrections is like having a health ailment and going to one doctor after another doctor until one tells you what you want to hear. What I will do is play around with getting used to the more sensitive feel of the new boots for a week or two. If I am still feeling weird, I will go back to the fitter for a recheck.
post #8 of 11
Joe, unbuckle them boots and ski conservatively on easy terrain. Make some runs and gradually buckle them up tighter and try to get the same feel from the skis and boots.

Kinda sneak up on how much it takes to drive the new boots. Have some friends along to pick on you if you diverge.

Careful with the boots unbuckled. You are more vulnerable to injury.

When I have gone from my telemark boots back to my alpine boots I have hooked up the alpine skis enough to smack a fence or two that was beside the run. You just went from a 74 U-Haul to a Ferrari.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by Pierre:
You just went from a 74 U-Haul to a Ferrari.
I think you are pretty close to the truth there, Pierre. I just went from a 7 yr old pair of Nordica Grand Prix's with probably 350-400 days on them to a new pair of Technica Icon Alu comps.

Good suggestion on keeping the buckles loose and play with them gradually. Will my ski patrol buds follow behind with tobaggan at ready.
post #10 of 11
Lars to the rescue eh Joe.
post #11 of 11
Ah, but Lars does not do that anymore Pierre.

Hey Pierre, why aren't you "registered" anymore? Can't PM you. Are you going to be in Sumewhat County when I'm out there?
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