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Do you guys think it could be a chicken or the egg kind of thing? Would good snowmaking (and marketing ) attract enough people to generate sustaining revenue? A place with terrain like that so close and state of the art snowmaking would be killer.

 

Our area can lay down FEET of snow overnight. When the temps really dip the snow quality is amazing, better than Mother Nature ever serves up around here.

 

Without a doubt better snowmaking and more of it would attract more skiers but at this point for the owners I think the money well is shallow. Blue Knob, like Laurel Mountain is on State Park land. We worked hard to motivate local politicians who in turn approached private investors who in concert lobbied state politicians to get $5.6 million into the capital projects budget to improve Laurel Mountain to make it a sustainable business. The Governor told the Mayor of Ligonier personally that the funding would be release pending a lease agreement with a proven resort operator and the DCNR (State Park administrators.).Buncher Company (Hidden Valley owners and major Pittsburgh real estate developers), who spear headed the drive walked away after almost a year of dickering with the DCNR. Seven Springs then stepped in and has been talking to the DCNR since last summer. Now we have a major recession and ballooning deficits so what chance is there for Laurel's funding despite Seven Springs willingness to manage the operations. Now, what chance do you see that the DCNR or anybody in government would fund that kind of improvement for Blue Knob?

 

 

post #32 of 92
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Do you guys think it could be a chicken or the egg kind of thing? Would good snowmaking (and marketing ) attract enough people to generate sustaining revenue? A place with terrain like that so close and state of the art snowmaking would be killer.

 

Our area can lay down FEET of snow overnight. When the temps really dip the snow quality is amazing, better than Mother Nature ever serves up around here.

 

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Without a doubt better snowmaking and more of it would attract more skiers but at this point for the owners I think the money well is shallow. Blue Knob, like Laurel Mountain is on State Park land. We worked hard to motivate local politicians who in turn approached private investors who in concert lobbied state politicians to get $5.6 million into the capital projects budget to improve Laurel Mountain to make it a sustainable business. The Governor told the Mayor of Ligonier personally that the funding would be release pending a lease agreement with a proven resort operator and the DCNR (State Park administrators.).Buncher Company (Hidden Valley owners and major Pittsburgh real estate developers), who spear headed the drive walked away after almost a year of dickering with the DCNR. Seven Springs then stepped in and has been talking to the DCNR since last summer. Now we have a major recession and ballooning deficits so what chance is there for Laurel's funding despite Seven Springs willingness to manage the operations. Now, what chance do you see that the DCNR or anybody in government would fund that kind of improvement for Blue Knob?

 

 

I cannot see Blue Knob EVER being able to draw the people they would need to do the snowmaking job that is required to draw the amount of people that would be needed to pay for the snowmaking required to draw...

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post #33 of 92
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I cannot see Blue Knob EVER being able to draw the people they would need to do the snowmaking job that is required to draw the amount of people that would be needed to pay for the snowmaking required to draw...

 

 Due to location?

post #34 of 92

I posted a few pics in the "get together" thread, but also wanted to say what a great time I had.  It was fantastic to meet some new Bears and the skiing was challenging but still fun.

 

I'll come back next season for sure.

post #35 of 92

The location is such that it can be hard to reach from the north. If you are coming from the Turnpike, yes it can be easier to reach. But there are issues of travel time for it to be a destination resort.

post #36 of 92

Bears on Extrovert

 

Laurel Hill Crazie on Deer Run, background left EPL, background right Pierre

 

some of the group on Jack Rabbit

 

big group shot taken on Saturday Feb 21, 2009 at Blue Knob, PA, left to right (IIRC):  Jgiddy, ski3po, vincek, johnl, LHC, jimmy, pierre, epl, david (wvaskr15), bumpfreaq, garyskr, Jamesj

 

crgildart Sunday Feb 22 on Deer Run

 

Telerod the blur

 


Edited by Jamesj - 2/24/2009 at 01:19 am
post #37 of 92

jgiddy and ski3po near BK summit (3172')

 

Pierre, may I have 1000 word motion analysis on this body position?  Seriously, I hope you mend well and quick.  Pierre is like a thoroughbred on skis, fast beautiful, but fragile.

 

bumpfreaq getting into some mid-Atlantic hardpack

 

group shot on Sunday, l-r:  crgildart, garyskr, epl, bwpa, BF, ski3po, telerod

 

mdskier looking for his car keys late on Sunday, another weekend subplot that ended happily

 

Might add:  it was a little strange being one of those introducing this group to the mtn.  Wanted to convey some knowledge about the place, but as a plodder giving directions and snapping photos I felt like I was inhibiting many great skiers from cuttin' loose.  Hope you got a decent sense of Blue Knob.  Even though the conditions were kinda bony, once you catch it in bounteous conditions you'll understand why it has some loyal devotees among mid-Atlantic snowriders.



Edited by Jamesj - 2/24/2009 at 02:01 am
post #38 of 92

Here's a few shots from the weekend.

 

 

JohnL dropping into Stembogan

 

 

Stembogan goodness

 

 

JohnL going to save Pierre

 

 

LHC dropping in

 

 

Pierre down for the count (sorry the quality sucks)

 

 

JohnL and Jimmy show off the awesome grooming at Blue Knob (yes that boulder was in the middle of the trail when we got there, we did NOT put it there)

 

 

post #39 of 92
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Pierre down for the count (sorry the quality sucks)

 

 

 

Did poking him with the pole help?

 

Hope you're feeling better soon Pierre!

post #40 of 92
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It appears there was also some gate crashing at the Knob

 

Josh

Blue Knob All Season Resort Feb. 22, 2009  Daily Nastar Yellow 25.78 25.21     Silver  
      Yellow 25.26 22.68     Silver  
      Yellow 23.88 15.98     Gold  

 

Phil


Blue Knob All Season Resort Feb. 22, 2009  Daily Nastar Yellow 27.10 31.62     Silver  
      Yellow 26.28 27.63     Silver  
      Yellow 26.23 27.39     Silver  

crgildart (yesterday pacesetter did a lot better)

Blue Knob All Season Resort Feb. 21, 2009  Daily Nastar Yellow 26.56 46.82     Bronze  
      Yellow 26.53 46.66     Bronze  
      Yellow 25.75 42.34     Bronze  

What happened with Josh's last run?  Almost 7 seconds faster!!

Crgildart too - almost 4 1/2 seconds faster!

Y'all drinkin' some Mountain Dew?

post #41 of 92
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What happened with Josh's last run?  Almost 7 seconds faster!!

Crgildart too - almost 4 1/2 seconds faster!

Y'all drinkin' some Mountain Dew?

The times are posted in the column before that, the 7 difference is handicap. 

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post #42 of 92
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Did poking him with the pole help?

 

Hope you're feeling better soon Pierre!

 

It sure made me feel better. Heal fast Pierre.

 

 

post #43 of 92
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Did poking him with the pole help?

 

Hope you're feeling better soon Pierre!


 

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It sure made me feel better. Heal fast Pierre.

 

 

Oh now that's just plain wrong.  Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves.  I've had broken ribs and it really hurts, especially when someone makes you laugh!
 

post #44 of 92

I can't believe that the hill is actually called 'Blue Knob'. Now that is just plain wrong, here in NZ that would mean something quite different in winter.

post #45 of 92
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I can't believe that the hill is actually called 'Blue Knob'. Now that is just plain wrong, here in NZ that would mean something quite different in winter.


 

Not all the world is as sex obsessed as Kiwis. 

post #46 of 92

I know this is overkill coverage for a day on frozen granular, but it was the size and camraderie of group that made this event very special.  Us denizens of the mid-Atlantic were honored by the presence of so many Bears.

Two short low quality videos, I haven't reviewed this yet, hopefully it works:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQNiWaOilMo

 

 

post #47 of 92

Jim, no link??

post #48 of 92

Jim while we wait fir teh video, thanks to you for taking the lead and making this an over the top gathering. You are right this was a BIG, fun, diverse group of really strong skiers. The age spread was 50? years from youngest to oldest, we had bears from MI freaq, KY gary, NY epl NC VA MD, two foreign countries Pierre and Philpug and another planet BWPA. Papa Crgildart i can't believe we did not get to meet i am sorry my bad you are one of the bears that made me feel at home here on Epic. Maybe the  coverage is overkill but this group pushed, the mountain pushed back, mid-atlantic skiing at it's best/worst. Pierre, marcusfire get well soon. Comprex sorry we missed again.

post #49 of 92

jimmy, agreed regrets fo not hookin up on a chair er sumpin.  might have been dangerouls cuz somone probly wudda fallen off laughin so hard crakin all da jokes n stuff.  Timberline is on my local area to do lists.  I'd also hit Wintergreen VA again on an off day so we'll have more chances to hook it up together.  I also need to meet JohnnysZoo.

post #50 of 92
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Doesn't the shadow on the ground look like he's riding in the chair, getting ready to leap out?  :)

 

Pierre, heal quickly and well.   We're all pulling for ya.

post #51 of 92

How is it that Pierre always comes away from these kinds of events injured?

post #52 of 92
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How is it that Pierre always comes away from these kinds of events injured?

 

In those conditions that could have been any of us.  Hat's off to him for attacking the gnar and brutal icy ruts harder than the rest of us did-no doubt about it. For which he paid a price unfortunately.

post #53 of 92

I agree, it was pretty sketchy out there and you had to be very careful to look and see what you were about to set an edge into.  At times you just had to ski straight and hope for the best.

 

 

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In those conditions that could have been any of us.  Hat's off to him for attacking the gnar and brutal icy ruts harder than the rest of us did-no doubt about it. For which he paid a price unfortunately.


 

post #54 of 92

I wish we still had polls.  I wonder who else lit a p-tex stick this week to repair some BK gouges.  It was totally worth it though


Edited by crgildart - 2/24/2009 at 06:09 pm
post #55 of 92

No core shots but a few p-tex patches for me. I was surprised as I was there the Tuesday before and core shot then. I always love when that happens as it always seems to happen right after a spend an hour the night before on base and edge maintenance.

post #56 of 92

I got one core shot on Saturday on Edgeset that just missed taking out my edge!  I'll post a picture of it later when I get home.

post #57 of 92

The edge maintenance is necessary to get any grip at all on the Blue Knob ice!  I also spent some time Friday night tuning up my skis prior to the core shot on Sat.

 

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Originally Posted by Laurel Hill Crazie View Post

 

No core shots but a few p-tex patches for me. I was surprised as I was there the Tuesday before and core shot then. I always love when that happens as it always seems to happen right after a spend an hour the night before on base and edge maintenance.


 

post #58 of 92
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I got one core shot on Saturday on Edgeset that just missed taking out my edge!  I'll post a picture of it later when I get home.


 

You too huh?? I got one core shot right on my edge and another in the middle of the opposite ski. Both from skiing Edge Set. Dang you JohnL!!! Why did I listen to you???

post #59 of 92

Yeah, what he said!  JohnL it's all your fault.

 

Actually, it's my fault for listening to him!  I should know better after seeing him drop into Ditch Glades last year at Blue Knob with very thin cover and get a nice core shot.

 

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You too huh?? I got one core shot right on my edge and another in the middle of the opposite ski. Both from skiing Edge Set. Dang you JohnL!!! Why did I listen to you???


 

post #60 of 92

I had started another trip report thread that got lost under this one.  Here are the few shots I took (pun intended)

 

 

I LOVE this sign.  It says it all!

 

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