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Why do they make the graphics on women's skis so prissy?  Does anyone else find this offensive to women?

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I have refused to buy womens' skis because of the graphics (huge flowers), but what I object to even more is having a chick with boobs on my skis, certainly the opposite of prissy, but quite common.  Why would I want a naked chick on my skis?  If I look down at my skis and want naked it's a guy I want to look at.  I guess it's some kind of Xena thing, implying that powerful women are hot as well??  IMO you either are hot or you're not and having a hot babe on your skis when you are not just underscores the discrepancy.  I want a ski that looks like a serious ski, not like a cartoon.  

post #3 of 16

Woman's skis can be feminine without being girly.  

post #4 of 16

"Women's skis". Bad. The skis are made to perform a certain way for people of certain physical characteristics, including general weight, strength, body structure. I have no doubt that many men would enjoy actually using skis that happen to be labeled as "women's skis" - but they dare not because of the graphics and the  designation as a "women's ski".

 

Several of the women skiers I know can ski the a$$ of most men skiers and don't even consider buying "women's skis".  Some men are not kick a$$ skiers and would like "game improvement" equipment - which sometimes could be those "women's skis" if they only didn't have the "feminine" paint job and the gender label.

 

This is marketing, pure and simple, and - frankly - disgusting. Designating skis according to gender is not done for the benefit of better skiing but to sell skis. If it happens that one or another female skier likes a ski desigated for her gender, hubba hubba, peachy keen. But it doesn't always work that way, with skis or ski boots.

 

There was a myth that women "need" heel lift - so they put that into my wife's boot - and she hated it. She said it was like trying to ski in high heels!  We took out the heel lift, bought her bindings with waaaay less delta, and voila! Pleasure skiing!

 

May we please have due regard for individuals regardless of their gender? All women, and all men, are not exactly alike when it comes to boots and skis. Let's focus on each individual guest/customer and determine what works for each. PLEASE!

 

 

post #5 of 16

This same discussion goes on in the bike world.  Many women's bikes are pink.  There is also controversy over what a "women's-specific design" really is, and whether it's necessary. 

 

I'm of two minds about this.  There's a woman I bike and skate with, who rocks the pink.  She's got a pink bike, pink skates, pink waterbottle, pink jersey, pink helmet, and even a lock of shocking pink hair.  On her, pink is a power color.

 

On the other hand, I've got WSD bikes and skis, none of which is pink.  I don't like pink, personally.  I went with the WSD bikes and skis (as opposed to unisex) principally because they were available for demo in the proper size; the "unisex" versions were all too large. 

 

In the end - vote with your pocketbook.  If you don't like a certain brand's designs - don't buy them.  But do  buy lots of gear that you do like.  That's my excuse, anyway!  :D

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Originally Posted by oboe View Post

 

"Women's skis". Bad. .....

 

.....This is marketing, pure and simple, and - frankly - disgusting.,,,,,

thanks for leading into my redundant rant: K-2 is the main offender (not counting women-specific brands). All the Luv series. Give me a break, daisies and pastels. Maybe renowned painter Georgia O'Keefe should be involved in top sheet design.

 

Posaune: yeah, K-2 makes the disgusting male-oriented graphics as well, kind of a teen-rated-for-violence video game look.
 


Edited by davluri - 2/22/2009 at 05:21 pm
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by keke View Post

 

Why do they make the graphics on women's skis so prissy?  Does anyone else find this offensive to women?

 

Is this offensive to women?  I suppose it is if the graphics on some of the "male" skis are offensive to men with stuff like guns and skulls and such.  I find that stuff offensive.

 

Why do they make it look like that?  Because it sells, or at least they think it does.

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In the end - vote with your pocketbook.  If you don't like a certain brand's designs - don't buy them.  .....  :D

2X that concept. plus a little ridicule could go a long way.
 

 

(the WSD bike is more logical as women tend to be longer in the leg and shorter in the torso than men, so the bike doesn't have to be set up with some rediculous stem)

post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

 

 

Is this offensive to women?  I suppose it is if the graphics on some of the "male" skis are offensive to men with stuff like guns and skulls and such.  I find that stuff offensive.

 

Why do they make it look like that?  Because it sells, or at least they think it does.

 

The biggest "offender" is the Volkl Aura.  I have no idea what possessed Volkl to think that a graphic of a woman with exposed cartoon-character breasts is something that would appeal to female skiers.   It's not offensive per se, but...

 

...would you buy a ski with a graphic of a man's nude butt on it?

 

This time last year you couldn't find an Aura anywhere.  This year they're all on sale.   I don't know if this has to do with the economy or the number of retailers that chose to stock them this year; or whether it's the fact that this year's topsheet features a graphic that doesn't appeal to women.

 

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Well, I just took a look over at SkiDiva, and it seems a lot of women actually do like the 2009 Volkl graphic.  Go figure. 

post #11 of 16

There's wide variety of preferences among both genders.

 

We ski mostly at Beaver Creek and Vail.  At those resorts, there are LOTS of prissy women, who love the dainty, girly look.  They're dressed to the 9's, often wearing ultra-expensive togs (Lasse Kjus, Bogner), sporting boots with fluffy cuffs, and skis with flowers

 

OTH, if you go to A-Basin, you'll see hard-charging athletic females that wouldn't be caught dead in that stuff.

 

I've seen male snowboarders riding boards with nude retro Playboy centerfold graphics.  But, I've never seen a female riding skis with a naked woman.

 

I abhor a lot of the "male" K2 graphics.  Horrible.

 

Ultimately, our opinions are of little matter.  Whatever some marketing honcho thinks will sell goes onto the skis.

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There's wide variety of preferences among both genders.

 

We ski mostly at Beaver Creek and Vail.  At those resorts, there are LOTS of prissy women, who love the dainty, girly look.  They're dressed to the 9's, often wearing ultra-expensive togs (Lasse Kjus, Bogner), sporting boots with fluffy cuffs, and skis with flowers

 

OTH, if you go to A-Basin, you'll see hard-charging athletic females that wouldn't be caught dead in that stuff.

 

I've seen male snowboarders riding boards with nude retro Playboy centerfold graphics.  But, I've never seen a female riding skis with a naked woman.

 

I abhor a lot of the "male" K2 graphics.  Horrible.

 

Ultimately, our opinions are of little matter.  Whatever some marketing honcho thinks will sell goes onto the skis.

 

 

This made me chuckle. This year I'm skiing the K2 HellBents (those horrible graphics you refer to), and I've also been skiing a pair of 2006-2007 Line Elizabeths with a naked woman on them. BTW, I'm female.

 

 

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by keke View Post

 

Why do they make the graphics on women's skis so prissy?  Does anyone else find this offensive to women?

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 

Woman's skis can be feminine without being girly.  

What he said ^^^^^

There are many more good choices for graphix and performance than there used to be. 

 

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This made me chuckle. This year I'm skiing the K2 HellBents (those horrible graphics you refer to), and I've also been skiing a pair of 2006-2007 Line Elizabeths with a naked woman on them. BTW, I'm female.

 

 

post #14 of 16

My worst offender brand is Dynastar.  YUCK, they might as well call the Exclusive skis, the Flower skis.  I don't mind feminine flourishes and swirls and pretty colors, but just because I'm a woman, doesn't mean I was some silly graphic floral design on my skis.  On the other hand, some skis like, say, the women's skis from Line I think are more like works of art, even though they're pretty darn girly.  I wouldn't mind putting those on my feet.  Just my 2 cents :)

post #15 of 16

I don't like the swirly, prissy, flowery graphics. And I don't like the naked lady graphics, either (I agree -- what's the point?). And I especially detest the violent graphics with the guns and skulls (though I know I'm not the target audience).

 

Just give me a ski that works and I'm happy.

 

HOWEVER -- what works for me mostly means a women's ski.I'm 5'1" and 110 lbs, and a lot of unisex skis are too big and too stiff. But before we go putting down women's skis, two points:

 

1) Let's not paint all women's skis with the same brush. Women's skis have improved considerably over the past few years. There are a lot of kick ass women's skis out there, so don't knock 'em. 

 

2) Some women love those prissy, flowery graphics. And if that's what it takes to get them out on the slopes or to buy skis, who am I to argue? Whatever works. (That said, I'd like more of a choice, since they don't appeal to me).

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Originally Posted by oboe View Post

 

"Women's skis". Bad. The skis are made to perform a certain way for people of certain physical characteristics, including general weight, strength, body structure. I have no doubt that many men would enjoy actually using skis that happen to be labeled as "women's skis" - but they dare not because of the graphics and the  designation as a "women's ski".

 

Several of the women skiers I know can ski the a$$ of most men skiers and don't even consider buying "women's skis".  Some men are not kick a$$ skiers and would like "game improvement" equipment - which sometimes could be those "women's skis" if they only didn't have the "feminine" paint job and the gender label.

 

This is marketing, pure and simple, and - frankly - disgusting. Designating skis according to gender is not done for the benefit of better skiing but to sell skis. If it happens that one or another female skier likes a ski desigated for her gender, hubba hubba, peachy keen. But it doesn't always work that way, with skis or ski boots.

 

There was a myth that women "need" heel lift - so they put that into my wife's boot - and she hated it. She said it was like trying to ski in high heels!  We took out the heel lift, bought her bindings with waaaay less delta, and voila! Pleasure skiing!

 

May we please have due regard for individuals regardless of their gender? All women, and all men, are not exactly alike when it comes to boots and skis. Let's focus on each individual guest/customer and determine what works for each. PLEASE!

 

 

Very good points. regarding the delta discussion, Volkl is reducing the delta on many of their womans ski for next season. Not all woman skiers need a forward mount point, not all need a heel lift, not all need more delta in a binding. Some equipment combinations give them all three, a sure recipe for disaster in many instances. 

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