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Turning - rhythm - BREATHING

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Something I have NEVER seen discussed but am curious about - with your wealth of knowlege and expertise, perhaps you folks can enlighten:

BREATHING when skiing -

When I jog, I breath in a rhythmic count with my footfalls (very similar to how musicians count the rhythm of their music). Of course, the tempo and depth of my breathing increases with the level of exertion. ex: one-two(inhale) three-four(exhale)

There are defined breathing skills associated with things like weight-lifting, as in when to inhale, when to exhale...

Please relate this to the rhythm of skiing linked turns...

post #2 of 14
Depends on the snow conditions.

A heli ski ride in the Bugaboos with typical snowfall and the snow is over your head at times. SO you hold your breath until you surface, usualy at edge change or at the transisiton. Then hold your breath as you bottom the turn. When you come up it is a good idea to take a look where you are going TOO!

In the bumps I don't even think about it. Usualy too busy picking my next spot, and the bump I just absorbed took the air out of me anyway. SO as I turn em down hill I take a breath.

A leasurely cruise down lets say a real "pamper" run like under the condola (Lionshead) I am too busy laughing to breath.

On Ice I hold my breath! When I get to the bottom I can breath again.

Crust and Corn refer to ICE. Only at times the pain of the crust as it clips you boot will garner a under your breath or two. And the marble corn will give you a rush so breathing is easy, edge is the hard part.

Wind Blown, yeah there is a real thrill, can you take a breath? Will that pile be soft or inpenitrable? Oh well breath easy this is a pile of wind blown from today!

"Any breath you take on the mountain is better than any breath you take in an office or a meeting room somewhere!" That is all I can say!
post #3 of 14
You have not noticed that heartbeat and breathing are the only rhythms white people have? Go to a club and watch them dance sometime. This is a staple: Inhale to begin a turn, exhale to finish. Caution: too short a turn can cause hyperventillation.
post #4 of 14
One of the most helpful things I've ever learned was from a 75 year old instructor named Natalie Terry at Sugarloaf. She taught me to inhale as I straightened my legs, exhale as I bent them. Larry C. also wrote an interesting article on breathing for TPS.
As for the rhythm thing, the only way I've ever been able to learn pole plants, is when the instructor presents it as a rhythmic sequence.

I seem to recall Oz has some interesting rhythm sequences.
post #5 of 14
Mikla, the problem is that many skiers, when the going get tough, forget to breath, as is common in everyday life, that's why the saying"I was holding my breath until it was over".

Singing while you ski makes sure you breath.

A racer friend of mine was called "Old Locomotive" because you could hear him from far forcefully exhaling as he bashed the gates, he told me that he didn't worry about breathing in, just to forecefully expell all the air he could.

post #6 of 14
I grunt at the end of my turns. Sometimes it's a drawn out grunt; Sometimes it's a short bursting grunt. Regardless of which one, it always keeps me breathing no matter the situation. I also find that it keeps me more focused on my turns because it serves as a vocal queue of my immediate relationship with the snow conditions, slope and turn shape.

ERRRRRUUH two three ERRRRRUUH two three four
post #7 of 14
nolobolono said... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You have not noticed that heartbeat and breathing are the only rhythms white people have?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This white boy begs to differ. Next dance anyone? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #8 of 14

Maybe so, but most of my (white) students nod in agreement when I say that.

It's snowing in the west! Hooray!

post #9 of 14
All I can say is: Nobody has less rhythm than a group of marathon runners of any race or ethnic group! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks, PinHed... that's what I was headed for in my question...

Hi Ott... singing while skiing! man, you gotta be smooth! :

I was hoping to hear an "instruction" perspective on the thought...

Bob Barnes??? Anyone else?
post #11 of 14
The instructional component is as follows: Inhale to air-up at the start of a new turn. Exhale to air-out at the finish of the turn. The rhythm should match the turn radius.
post #12 of 14

I have recently been accepted as a first year instructor in the same Ski school as Pierre eh. I will be teaching beginners this year and as part of our training we have to develope and have approved our own teaching progressions. I plan to work my beginners through a progression that will teach certain skills that they will use as they progress all the way through parallel.

Our examiners are looking for instructors to introduce Extension and Flexion into our student's turns. Therefore, even as far back as introduction to wedge turns I will be using beathing exercises to help introduce these skills. Of course, I will skip the technical aspect and just tell them to inhale/rise to start the turn and exhale/sink into finsh.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 26, 2001 12:05 PM: Message edited 1 time, by PowDigger ]</font>
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks, PowDigger...
Breathing techniques are used in several sports for development of power - you can hear it in tennis players, heavy grunting when swinging at the ball; in boxers when jabbing and punching. More power generated on the outbreath? I think so.

Glad to see you're incorporating a breathing discipline of sorts in your teaching of skiing.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 26, 2001 12:55 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Mikla ]</font>
post #14 of 14
your are getting many good responses. Here are two ways I play with breathing while skiing.
1)exhale while muscles are experiencing increase loads. i.e. when flexing (using more muscluar support vs. Skeletal Support); as the forces (centrifugal and gravity)build during the turn.
2) Breathe from your gut (diaphram). This will reinforce abs as your core. It will facilitate better balance and powerful, yet supple movement.

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