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post #211 of 219
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It is not a "system;" the ski may be sold flat or with the Tyrolia binding in a box. You mount. 
I bought the MX 88 in a 178 system about a month ago.
post #212 of 219
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No you didn't. ;) You bought a MX78 that had the plate mounted somewhere between the factory and you, and they slapped on the binding after you gave them your boots. It is not a system. It is not a plate that is unique to the MX, and it is not a binding that is unique to the plate, and it is not a plate or binding that has to come with the ski. Here is the Kastle link, notice it calls the bindings "matching:" http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/products/mx/mx78-6782/ These are Tyrolia bindings and plates, which it also brands for Head, Fischer, and Elan, various logos and paint schemes. Out. 

post #213 of 219

Sort of reminds me of the old Volkl Supersport 5*****. You could buy the ski flat (which was totally rad), or you could buy it with a Marker plate. 

 

 

Segway, I'm a huge fan of Kastle skis (and own the MX98  [184], BMX 108 [188] and BMX 128). I have been looking to replace my MX 98, but it seems that I can find only MX 88 in stores. I have checked Stapleton's, Gorsutsch, Jans and on-line. IMHO, the MX98 does everything that the MX88 does, but does it better. Why is the ski so hard to find? ...and when you find it, why can't you find it at a discounted rate?

post #214 of 219

Beyond! I'm thinking they just passed the Marijuana law in your state! (LOL)

 

Bought the MX 88 with a shrink wrap around the skis and in a sealed box with a system plate mounted. Since the box has never been opened I will assume they are from the factory unless the dealer mounted the system plates, resealed them in plastic and resealed the box. Maybe I do not know what a system is but to me it is a ski with a plate where I can move the binding. I always want to be able to try skis at different mount points and especially this ski because there have been several positive posts about a forward mount. 

 

I just slid the toe and heel on in one picture to see what it looked like.

 

 

post #215 of 219
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Beyond! I'm thinking they just passed the Marijuana law in your state! (LOL)

 

Maybe I do not know what a system is but to me it is a ski with a plate where I can move the binding. I always want to be able to try skis at different mount points and especially this ski because there have been several positive posts about a forward mount. 

 

Actually, we are setting up medical use. 

 

But rather than me being high, it seems that you and I have a terminal, non-negotiable semantics chasm.

 

As I've said about 12 times, this ski is sold flat also, and if you look, you can see that the plate is attached to the flat ski. By contrast, consider this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/201230999884?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT If you magnify the picture, you can see that the ski itself has an architecture that the front and back of the IQ binding fits into. That is, no other binding except the IQ Power can fit this ski. They are engineered to be used together. 

 

By contrast, you feel that any ski that has a plate mounted at the factory, or midway between the factory and the dealer, or by the dealer prior to display, is a system binding. 

 

Y'know what, you believe that, and I'll believe what I believe. Let's let it go. It's gotten worn out. ;) 

post #216 of 219

Maybe I can help with the semantics...
Levy1: If you can take off the binding and plate and install a different binding to the now-flat ski, it is NOT what's referred to as a system binding. 
If it's a system binding, removing the binding and its housing (plate) will destroy the integrity of the ski. 
At least that's my understanding of the difference.
Peace, dudes!

post #217 of 219

Right. Like a Volkl Motion, or an Atomic Neox, as opposed to say a Fischer with a race plate.

Usually a binding system involves some sort of rail integrated into the ski, and a flat ski with a plate merely has a plate screwed into the ski. Mainly, it is semantics.

Writing this, I am wondering whether the Dynastar Omeglas 63 and 64 were a plate of system skis?

post #218 of 219
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No you didn't. wink.gif  You bought a MX78 that had the plate mounted somewhere between the factory and you, and they slapped on the binding after you gave them your boots. It is not a system. It is not a plate that is unique to the MX, and it is not a binding that is unique to the plate, and it is not a plate or binding that has to come with the ski. Here is the Kastle link, notice it calls the bindings "matching:" http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/products/mx/mx78-6782/ These are Tyrolia bindings and plates, which it also brands for Head, Fischer, and Elan, various logos and paint schemes. Out. 
Talk about semantics getting in the way of reality. (An Mx88, not 78) It's a track system- you can't mount another binding on it unless you remove the entire track and buy another binding. So, it's a system installed in Austria when they made the ski. Could you remove it?- yes. So, it's not an integrated system, but an attached system. Done.

No one's being fed manure by any dealer. This isn't complicated. Tons of these skis were sold this way just like the old metal track system Kastle used to have as an option. Levy1 had the choice of a used demo with demo attack 13 setup or this system new. Both allow moving toe and heel independently - not all systems do. If Levy1 were an 11/10 skier it might make sense to find the desired mount point then mount a fixed binding.
Edited by Tog - 6/2/16 at 8:45am
post #219 of 219
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Beyond! I'm thinking they just passed the Marijuana law in your state! (LOL)

Maybe I do not know what a system is but to me it is a ski with a plate where I can move the binding. I always want to be able to try skis at different mount points and especially this ski because there have been several positive posts about a forward mount. 
Actually, we are setting up medical use. 

But rather than me being high, it seems that you and I have a terminal, non-negotiable semantics chasm.

As I've said about 12 times, this ski is sold flat also, and if you look, you can see that the plate is attached to the flat ski. By contrast, consider this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/201230999884?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT If you magnify the picture, you can see that the ski itself has an architecture that the front and back of the IQ binding fits into. That is, no other binding except the IQ Power can fit this ski. They are engineered to be used together. 

By contrast, you feel that any ski that has a plate mounted at the factory, or midway between the factory and the dealer, or by the dealer prior to display, is a system binding. 

Y'know what, you believe that, and I'll believe what I believe. Let's let it go. It's gotten worn out. wink.gif  
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

No you didn't. wink.gif  You bought a MX78 that had the plate mounted somewhere between the factory and you, and they slapped on the binding after you gave them your boots. It is not a system. It is not a plate that is unique to the MX, and it is not a binding that is unique to the plate, and it is not a plate or binding that has to come with the ski. Here is the Kastle link, notice it calls the bindings "matching:" http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/products/mx/mx78-6782/ These are Tyrolia bindings and plates, which it also brands for Head, Fischer, and Elan, various logos and paint schemes. Out. 
Talk about semantics getting in the way of reality. It's a track system- you can't mount another binding on it unless you remove the entire track and buy another binding. So, it's a system installed in Austria when they made the ski. Could you remove it?- yes. So, it's not an integrated system, but an attached system. Done.

No one's being fed manure by any dealer. This isn't complicated. Tons of these skis were sold this way just like the old metal track system Kastle used to have as an option. Levy1 had the choice of a used demo with demo attack 13 setup or this system new. Both allow moving toe and heel independently - not all systems do. If Levy1 were an 11/10 skierit might make sense to find the desired mount point then mount a fixed binding.
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

No you didn't. wink.gif  You bought a MX78 that had the plate mounted somewhere between the factory and you, and they slapped on the binding after you gave them your boots. It is not a system. It is not a plate that is unique to the MX, and it is not a binding that is unique to the plate, and it is not a plate or binding that has to come with the ski. Here is the Kastle link, notice it calls the bindings "matching:" http://www.kaestle-ski.com/en/products/mx/mx78-6782/ These are Tyrolia bindings and plates, which it also brands for Head, Fischer, and Elan, various logos and paint schemes. Out. 
Talk about semantics getting in the way of reality. It's a track system- you can't mount another binding on it unless you remove the entire track and buy another binding. So, it's a system installed in Austria when they made the ski. Could you remove it?- yes. So, it's not an integrated system, but an attached system. Done.

No one's being fed manure by any dealer. This isn't complicated. Tons of these skis were sold this way just like the old metal track system Kastle used to have as an option. Levy1 had the choice of a used demo with demo attack 13 setup or this system new. Both allow moving toe and heel independently - not all systems do. If Levy1 were an 11/10 skierit might make sense to find the desired mount point then mount a fixed binding.

Thanks Tog, you got it.
BTW while I am not at 11/10 I saw several posts where skiers like The Binding forward. I just wanted that option. But you know you turned me on to the great deal and I thank you.
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