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post #1 of 16
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 Ok so I have my worldcup irace skis which are less than 68mm wide as my only ski so far. I ski mainly here in colorado. Im thinking I may add a second ski. I am an intermediate and I am starting to progress more. I would like to get something better in the soft snow. I am a very big guy as I have stated before and I feel like i sink with by narrow skis (obviously considering my size). Im not too crazy about bumps but would like to venture in to some powder (not waist deep but like knee deep or below). Considering that I am 6'2 and 300 pounds, Do I need something very stiff?? I was looking at some skis like the watea 84, 94, monster 88, mojo 94, line prophet 90. Would any of this be good for me or am I looking at skis I shouldnt be looking at? Also I dont think the prophet 90 is wood core, does their material work against a guy my size?  

 

thanks

post #2 of 16

I can't answer most of your questions, but I do own the Prophet 90s and they have wood cores.  They are fairly stiff for a freeride ski, but it helps them work on the groomers well.  They still shine in the powder though.  I have the 179 cm length.

post #3 of 16
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I keep hearing people raving about the prophet 90. Someone even suggested I could go up to the prophet 100. Also I have been suggested the nordica enforcers but I don't know anything about that ski and how they do on powder. The Line and the fischer w , keep getting great reviews though. I guess since I am an intermediate maybe I can go for the most versatile of them all. 

post #4 of 16

At your weight, you definitely want something fairly stiff b/c you will flex the ski quite a bit.  From your list that would lead me to the Prophet series because they do have a metal sheet on on top of the ski OR the Head Monster series (you suggested IM88) because that has metal in the ski.  Both these skis would give ou a nice stable platform underneath and would work well.  I really think the Watea series--though a great ski--is softer and that you'd probably overpower it....same thing with the head Mojo series. 

post #5 of 16

I'd agree about crossing the Watea's off of your list.  I have the 94 and it's a great ski, but I don't think it would work for a bigger guy.  Of your list I think the Head IM88 or Mojo 94 would be great. Never skied the Prophet.

 

Good luck with your search!

 

 

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Originally Posted by locknload View Post

 

At your weight, you definitely want something fairly stiff b/c you will flex the ski quite a bit.  From your list that would lead me to the Prophet series because they do have a metal sheet on on top of the ski OR the Head Monster series (you suggested IM88) because that has metal in the ski.  Both these skis would give ou a nice stable platform underneath and would work well.  I really think the Watea series--though a great ski--is softer and that you'd probably overpower it....same thing with the head Mojo series. 

 

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

thank you i think i have narrowed it to either the prophet 90, prophet 100, or the monster im88. Do you think the prophet 100 would be too much to handle for my intermediate level? thanks fr the help! 

post #7 of 16

FWIW, my buddy who is about 235 and around your skill level really liked the 178 cm Wetea 94s he demoed recently in Vail. 

 

I am not sure how fast your skills will improve, but at your size, you will probably want your soft snow ski to be longer (and possibly stiffer and/or wider) as you become more of an advanced skier.  To get tips to float at 300 lbs, you may need something rockered.  If you think you will improve quickly, you may want to pick up something used or look into a demo program (before the season, I saw Breezes in Georgetown or Idaho Springs offering unlimited season long demos for something like $179)

 

 

Why don't you pick a few to demo...on mountain will cost you more, but will give you the ability to swap out more often.  Virgin Island in Silverthrorne has a nice selection of demo skis (including the 94) at pretty reasonable prices.   

post #8 of 16

The Prophet series and the Mojo are twin tips and as such ski very short.  I am 5-10 195# and just got done skiing 30 of the skis for 2010 between 90mm and 130mm. I would want either Prophet to be a 186 for myself. With your weight, I think that you will need the 185/6 ish lengths to be happy with with them. Also, neither of the Prophets nor the the Mojo are terribly stiff. That's not good or bad just keep it in mind. The iM 88 is not a twin and is pretty stiff so its good for you from the perspective of supporting your weight. However, the 88 is not a star in deep snow and it is stiff enough torsionally that it can be demanding when the snow conditions are mixed. I don't carry the im88 but do carry the similar Blizzard Mag 8.7 and I honestly wouldn't suggest either one for your your ability range.

 

Our shop is in Tahoe and it's been snowing for 5 days. There has been a land rush of folks demoing wider skis for the last week. The big hits among mid level skiers have been medium width skis like Watea 94, Blizzard Cronus, and Dynastar Mythic Rider. Some folks in this ability range have been on the wider skis too and the Blizzi Argos and Answer and Nordica Enforcer have been big hits.

 

SJ

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thank you SJ. Now did you say you wouldn't recommend any of the ones I mentioned or you just didnt recommend the im88 and the mag 8.7? I have heard good things about the mryders and the watea 94 . I have been very curious about the enforcers since i heard they are excellent for heavy skiers like me. 

post #10 of 16

The only ones that I would specifically caution against are the Mag and the iM. The others are OK although probably the P-90 would not be ideal. IAC, they all should probably be be selected in their longest sizes. The MR and the Watea could be skied in the shorter sizes like 178 if you chose to.

 

SJ

post #11 of 16
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 The others are OK although probably the P-90 would not be ideal. 

Would you say the same thing for the p-100? I also saw that you carry the enforcers. If I were to get one of these 2 Im assuming you would recommend lengths 186 or 185 respectively. The Blizzards are a little bit more than I want to spend based on the prices that I have found. I am trying to keep my list short because of the large amount of different models on the market. Either way what bindings would you recommend for either one of these skis? 

 

Thank you so much for your time

post #12 of 16

 At 300 pounds, anything intended for soft snow:

 

...not at least 105 or 110 (and probably even fatter)  in the waist = FAIL

 

...not at least tip rockered = FAIL

 

...less than about 190 = FAIL

 

 

post #13 of 16

Will this be a soft snow ski?  Or a powder ski?

 

 

Soft snow:  Gotama?  190 probably best at 300 lbs.  But 183 maybe ok for an intermediate not looking to go  real fast

 

Powder:  go wide and long.  190+ length, 110 + waist

 

I used to like the mid fat one ski quiver idea (80-90 waist)  now I say go with the right ski for the job. 

80-90 waist = ok at all things - great at none.

 

Have 5 skis in my quiver now  but think if I had to I could go down to three and be happy (well sort of).

 

a 70ish carving ski

a soft snow, crudbuster 100ish waist

and a true powder ski 110+ but probably a 130+ reverse,reverse

 

my two ski quiver would have the latter two and leave out the carver. 

 

But I'm in UT. I just keep the carver around because my daughter likes me to race with her @ the local hills small races.   

 

 

OK just reread your post - nothing to deep.  Give the Gotama a try.  Should have you covered in most situations.  I would almost be willing to bet you give up you race skis and spend all your time on the Goats

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

wow great input from everyone i will give the goats a look too. Spindrift I know what you mean but remember that I am an intermediate. Don't you think that a tip rockered 190 + ski at 110+ would be too much for my ability?

post #15 of 16

No, I do not think such a ski would be too much.

 

Not all "fat" skis are the same. All I can say is that there is a growing contingent that believes that newer design "fatter" rockered skis can make for pretty easy skiing and versatile all around skis for folks of many abilities. Obviously this is not a universally held POV. 

 

You should search here (to the extent you can), TGR and New Schoolers (there is some excellent content buried in the murdered grammar) for a range of views on this topic.

 

But also do some arithmetic. Compare your height/weight on a given ski with someone who is five-ten and weighs 175 pounds... If you are looking to play in soft snow, beware of a ski that is comparable to a slalom ski for someone half your size. And beware of how someone your weight could have to work to avoid tip diving on more conventional non-rockered skis. 

 

If you can, demo - and try some of the 105+ rockered sidecut skis. Then make up your own mind.

 

 

post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

 thank you I will try to demo some next weekend at vail. Im just trying to narrow my choices but this opens up more skis to look at. Thats a good thing but at the same time I can't demo more than 2 or three so I need to come up with a short list to try out

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