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Hunter Friday Feb 13

post #1 of 11
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As predicted, the thaw and refreeze turned the mountain into a sheet of ice.

Snowmaking was in progress, but it's hard to see how a layer of machine made snow, blowing off in the wind, will make the conditions much better for most skiers.

My GS skis were perfect for the conditions; a lot of other people were falling, repeatedly, on the ice.

I met a man who was leaving at noon because conditions were unskiable for him and his daughter.

Later, when I stopped into Skier Services to ask about something, there was a  couple there arguing that they should receive some kind of refund or compensation for being lied to about the condition of the snow; the mountain was unsafe.

Only go to Hunter this weekend if you are comfortable skiing on ice and know how to avoid out of control snowboarders who have no hope of controlling their speed under those conditions.

post #2 of 11

Just curious, why do you go there?  Every report you give seems to rip the place apart. I go there every couple of weeks and have never had the problems you seem to encounter.

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 Thanks for the update Phlogiston.  Sorry to hear the conditions were so bad.

 

I'm hoping to go early next week, Tues/Wed, and am getting turned off by the bad conditions. Any suggestions on where to go local NJ/NY/PA area that won't be so crappy???  

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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post

 

Just curious, why do you go there?  Every report you give seems to rip the place apart. I go there every couple of weeks and have never had the problems you seem to encounter.


 

That seems like an awfully stupid question, but then, stupid questions are the ones that need answering the most, aren't they?

I mean, people who ask stupid questions are the ones who have the greatest need to be informed, aren't they? So it becomes a moral obligation for an intelligent person like myself to put aside any annoyance I feel, and answer stupid questions. 

 

I ski at Hunter because I like skiing on ice, and I'm capable of avoiding dangerous douchebag snowboarders who race down the mountain with no hope of stopping, and no concern for the safety of others.

 

I like skiing on ice so much, that I would ski Hunter from top to bottom in pure ice conditions, with no snow on any of the slopes, entirely by using my skills to turn, set my edges, and sometimes side slip, on ice. Hunter has never been open on a day when it was too icy for me to enjoy skiing.

 

My reports about bad conditions are intended to serve those people, like the man with his daughter, and the couple, who threw away their money on lift tickets on a day with conditions they can't handle. 

 

I don't care if you like the place. I love the place, and always enjoy myself.

 

The purpose of a trip report is not to boast about my skills or criticize others, it is to inform other people of the conditions they can expect if they go. Conditions at Hunter are simply too harsh for many people, much of the time. I want them to know.

 

I told a number of people about epicski.com; and told them that I had predicted the conditions in an earlier report here. One man told me he wished he'd known about the trip reports here before he drove up and wasted his money.

 

I may print some cards with the link to this site, Alpinezone, and Realconditions.com and hand them out to people I meet, so they can go online and read independent reports on conditions.

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 Thanks for the update Phlogiston.  Sorry to hear the conditions were so bad.

 

I'm hoping to go early next week, Tues/Wed, and am getting turned off by the bad conditions. Any suggestions on where to go local NJ/NY/PA area that won't be so crappy???  


 

I'm sorry to say, I don't know where the conditions are better.

I'll be skiing Tuesday, and I expect ice, and plan on enjoying it.

 

I actually like skiing on ice, to the point where I sometimes stop and give ponters to people who are having trouble skiing. I'm like an evangelist for skiing on ice, or a 12 stepper trying to rescue people who only know how to ski on snow, and need to learn about a better way.   

 

I was a pretty good ice skier, then I learned The Phantom Move, and my ice skiing improved 100%. The idea of initiating a turn on ice with the softer, lighter leg, rather than with the one that's strongest and has the most weight, changed my skiing completely.

post #6 of 11

Can't tell you if conditions anywhere else will be better, but as long as they're still blowing snow (before March 1) Hunter seems to have the ability to turn things around quicker than most. There will definitely be worse places to ski this weekend.

 

My son and I will be up there Monday and Tuesday; while I don't expect the conditions to be great, it shouldn't be one big skating rink either.

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Sometimes Hunter does a very good job of roughing up the ice with their grooming gear and this provides a good surface to hold the machine made snow.

Other times, they don't prepare the surface, or the wind is strong enough to blow the snow off, anyway.

Either way I'm going on Tuesday, no matter how bad I expect it to be. And I'm sure I'll enjoy the day.

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 Thanks for the update Phlogiston.  Sorry to hear the conditions were so bad.

 

I'm hoping to go early next week, Tues/Wed, and am getting turned off by the bad conditions. Any suggestions on where to go local NJ/NY/PA area that won't be so crappy???  

 

Well, you could always try Belleayre or Plattekill if Windham and Hunter are super-icy and you'd like to try and take it easy on the ice. Those two–mostly because their trails are set into the mountain a little more and have less wind exposure–sometimes will have a little better coverage than their cousins at exit 21. Having fewer skiers also helps, and the grooming at those two mountains is also very good (just as it is at Hunter and Windham, as well).

 

That being said, I just got back from Plattekill where they only had a few trails open due to the loss of coverage earlier in the week. They were also blowing, but as posted above, it was just blowing off and not doing anything. Even so, there was pretty good coverage with some icy patches on the two blacks that were open, and I was able to run a lot of laps and work on technique. The weather report also looks pretty good going into this week: temperatures below zero (so they'll be making snow) and a chance of snow on Wednesday. You can try your luck at those other two areas, but I also recommend going Phlogiston's route and trying your best to ski in icy conditions .

 

Hopefully once I get my tuning kit from SlideWright and learn how to keep my edges nice and sharp I'll be able to enjoy ice just as much as you, Phlogiston! I've always been a strong believer in advancing my skiing to the point that I can ski anything, and while I'm decent on ice, I have a ways to go to be totally comfortable.

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I'm sorry to say, I don't know where the conditions are better.

I'll be skiing Tuesday, and I expect ice, and plan on enjoying it.

 

I actually like skiing on ice, to the point where I sometimes stop and give ponters to people who are having trouble skiing. I'm like an evangelist for skiing on ice, or a 12 stepper trying to rescue people who only know how to ski on snow, and need to learn about a better way.   

 

I was a pretty good ice skier, then I learned The Phantom Move, and my ice skiing improved 100%. The idea of initiating a turn on ice with the softer, lighter leg, rather than with the one that's strongest and has the most weight, changed my skiing completely.

 

Phlo, thanks again for the heads up about the ice. Its not that I can't ski ice or don't have fun while doing so, but I just don't have as good of a time skiing ice as I do groomers or powder. I guess that goes without saying but when I only get the chance to go 10/15 times a year I try to go on days when its not as icy.  Plus some of my friends are beginners/int and they obvioiusly don't like ice and it is a safety issue then.

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Well, you could always try Belleayre or Plattekill if Windham and Hunter are super-icy and you'd like to try and take it easy on the ice. Those two–mostly because their trails are set into the mountain a little more and have less wind exposure–sometimes will have a little better coverage than their cousins at exit 21. Having fewer skiers also helps, and the grooming at those two mountains is also very good (just as it is at Hunter and Windham, as well).

 

That being said, I just got back from Plattekill where they only had a few trails open due to the loss of coverage earlier in the week. They were also blowing, but as posted above, it was just blowing off and not doing anything. Even so, there was pretty good coverage with some icy patches on the two blacks that were open, and I was able to run a lot of laps and work on technique. The weather report also looks pretty good going into this week: temperatures below zero (so they'll be making snow) and a chance of snow on Wednesday. You can try your luck at those other two areas, but I also recommend going Phlogiston's route and trying your best to ski in icy conditions .

 

Hopefully once I get my tuning kit from SlideWright and learn how to keep my edges nice and sharp I'll be able to enjoy ice just as much as you, Phlogiston! I've always been a strong believer in advancing my skiing to the point that I can ski anything, and while I'm decent on ice, I have a ways to go to be totally comfortable.

 

Oreo, thanks for the info on Belleayre and Plattekill, not too familiar with them but they both would be worth checking out. Probably even better on weekends when Hunter/Windham tend to get packed. 

 

Hope you have fun there today and tomorrow. Let us know how it goes! 

post #10 of 11

I skied Sunday at the home hill Seven Springs. They said Sat. was really tough. Have to give Seven Springs alot of credit for trying to produce a skiable surface with snow making and grooming.

 

For some reason I didn't see the regular hard core bumpers out before I left and they will ski anything. It was icy for sure. Leaving for Utah for a few days Wednesday. I hope when I come back the local skiing will have improved.

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For me the key to improving on ice was to become flexible.

I start my turns with my legs relaxed, gradually but steadily turning my skis onto their edges, and ready to step wide and slide sideways if I lose it.

The key for me is establishing the shape of my turn with the new inside ski first, then applying force with the outside ski, which will do most of the work during the fast part of the turn.

If I freeze up at the beginning of the run - which can happen before I warm up - it's almost impossible to soften and get the flow on that run.

Once the muscles tense up the sensitivity to match my edges to the surface and control my turns is gone. Ice isn't soft welcoming and forgiving like powder; but it's clean, honest and predictable.

 

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