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post #61 of 106
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Thanks! Its good to hear from you. We need to catch up one of these days. It has been too long. 

 

Truth, I have to tell you about Europe!

 

 

post #62 of 106
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Link.

 

When something goes wrong...

post #63 of 106

Nice effort, 8.5 rating. 

post #64 of 106

Repeat after me:

 

"That's not slalom!  That's not slalom!...."

 

Patience truly is the mark of a good GS turn.

 

I'm glad you did not hit anything.

post #65 of 106
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I'm glad you did not hit anything.

 

Actually I hit two small trees (broke the first one!). Luckily they were small trees and I didn't get hurt. The snow broke loose under the outside ski and I was definitely going down to hip check, but the outside ski re-engaged pretty abruptly and sent me head over heels.

post #66 of 106

It looked alot like you'd mis-timed your movement inside.

post #67 of 106
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It looked alot like you'd mis-timed your movement inside.

 

Thanks for telling me what timing was in the previous context. Your words here is what actually I had in mind.

post #68 of 106
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It looked alot like you'd mis-timed your movement inside.

 

Pretty much... Although - it was only mis-timed when you take the snow surface into consideration. If I had been on hard snow the movement inside would have been fine because the outside ski wouldn't have broken loose (putting me even further inside - which was the big problem). When the ski broke loose I was way too far inside the turn to recover. I wish I could have just gone down into a hip-check but that outside ski just didn't want to release (well it did eventually...).

post #69 of 106

Well that was a scary incident. Definitely glad you are OK HeluvaSkier.

post #70 of 106

You have definitely improved.  Have you been working with any coaches in particular?

post #71 of 106
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

 

You have definitely improved.  Have you been working with any coaches in particular?

 

Thanks. Yes - there are two coaches that have had huge influences on my skiing since last season. Harald Harb (via internet/email) and a Western NY local [former] FIS coach.

post #72 of 106

That was a scary crash. Looked like you were this >< close to wrecking your ACL. 

post #73 of 106
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

 

When something goes wrong...

 

WOW!!! I must have missed it by a chair or two. Now, I'm really glad you're ok. Fences would have helped you there.

post #74 of 106

You need to incline more, there is too much of a break from your upper body and lower body angles. You could also get more prresure when the ski is in the fall line rather than pressuring it as it goes across the hill as you are in the videos. two great links to my explanation below.

 

http://www.youcanski.com/en/coaching/incline-to-win.htm

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTboYL8CjaU - gs stars free skiing

post #75 of 106

oops

post #76 of 106
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Originally Posted by neutrinoone View Post

 

You need to incline more, there is too much of a break from your upper body and lower body angles. You could also get more prresure when the ski is in the fall line rather than pressuring it as it goes across the hill as you are in the videos. two great links to my explanation below.

 

http://www.youcanski.com/en/coaching/incline-to-win.htm

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTboYL8CjaU - gs stars free skiing

 

youcanski.com racing analayis is laughable at best. If I got nyman, or lightety to tell you this would you beleive me?

 

honestly the above link is not wroth reading.

post #77 of 106

Why not?

post #78 of 106

Wow, very lucky indeed the way those skis reengaged could have been bad.

Nice turns!

Your friends are right, you shoud be in the races with them for sure.  There's no need to wait for some 'finished product' - polish it on the way down!

Why were you using such long poles, was there a theory?

Cuious to know how much in general you do retraction/cross under turns versus extension/cross over turns.

post #79 of 106
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Wow, very lucky indeed the way those skis reengaged could have been bad.

Nice turns!

Your friends are right, you shoud be in the races with them for sure.  There's no need to wait for some 'finished product' - polish it on the way down!

Why were you using such long poles, was there a theory?

Cuious to know how much in general you do retraction/cross under turns versus extension/cross over turns.

 

Thanks! I'll race with them soon enough. Tonight there is timing so I guess I'll see how I stack up...

 

The poles were actually not "long" necessarily... just too long for the retraction turns I usually ski with now. I'm a little over 5' 7" so 48" poles are really not that extreme. I do prefer the shorter poles now that I have them though.

 

Extension vs Retraction: These days I much prefer to do a retraction-type turn if possible. It has taken a lot of training to be able to use them proficiently all over the mountain, however I can still execute a pretty solid ILE turn as well. Sometimes I'll slip into one and other times if my timing is off between tipping to edge and extending into the turn I'll end up extending before tipping and create a cross over unintentionally. What you see in the video is basically what I default to when I free ski or hit a course though. I guess if you wanted we could discuss the merits of each, but I've found that if I can keep my feet under/behind me that the retraction seems to work the best for how I ski. If I let my feet run out in front of me, that I need to extend in transition to "get it back"...

post #80 of 106

Another viewpoint of the inclination in GS is that (a) the least possible edge angle to hold the carve is fastest, and (b) patience is needed for speed, then the angulation is increased to make it around the gate.  Rather than say that inclination is so great, one might say that angulation delayed just long enough is fastest.  Angulation too early is slow, and angulation too late makes the turn late and blows the line for the next gate.

post #81 of 106
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post

 

Another viewpoint of the inclination in GS is that (a) the least possible edge angle to hold the carve is fastest, and (b) patience is needed for speed, then the angulation is increased to make it around the gate.  Rather than say that inclination is so great, one might say that angulation delayed just long enough is fastest.  Angulation too early is slow, and angulation too late makes the turn late and blows the line for the next gate.

 

Right on. Timing in GS is everything (something I have focused on a lot in GS lately). Inclination as dicussed in the article above is a misleading focus (especially if we are talking about its application to the majority of racers/skiers out there these days). Rather a better focus is when to introduce counter and angulation into the turn - and at what rate and to what degree to introduce it into the turn. The fact of the matter is that it is still always introduced, but the timing is one factor that sets a 30 point GS finish apart from an 80 point GS finish.

post #82 of 106

Heluvaskier,

 

 

....And what will be your next racing goal (in terms off points GS finish) ?

 

 

 

 

 

Dad

post #83 of 106
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...And what will be your next racing goal (in terms off points GS finish) ?

 

I don't race USSA or FIS right now. I might get into it next year. I hit the odd masters or beer league race... I turned in the fastest times in training tonight. I don't know what the level of the guys there were though... I think they are pretty good skiers though.

post #84 of 106

Damn good skiing.

 

I would play with a little more inclination, a little longer at the top of the arc in GS.  Push the limits with range, see what happens.

 

Relax the arms.

 

Try to use less edge angle and/or less pressing on the ski/boot from time to time and develop a lighter touch - you're grinding the turn by doing too much.  You don't have to push the ski into the snow - let the edge penetrate on its own (like cutting bread). 

 

Again - impressive skills!

 

 

post #85 of 106

old thread but you got any new footage Heluvaskier?

are you now racing?
 

post #86 of 106

  I always HATED showing up to a Masters GS with 8" of snow from the night before...smile.gif Sketchy

post #87 of 106
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They really are amazing turns.  They're very CSIA looking.  I'd place those turns really close to CSIA level 4 turns.  I've paused that video over and over, the extension, flexion and angulation, along with the speed you achieve the movement is way above me!  Wish I were there, looks awesome.

 

That was my initial thought, but then, as someone else mentioned, thought more like CSCF.

I have no end of problems when training for my CSIA levels...as I tend to get on the front of my boots, due to years of racing.

I was continually told to get more upright and neautral. In the end I changed my boots to a less aggressive stance...which works for me.

 

The OP's turns, imho, are certainly condusive for a bit of racing fun.

post #88 of 106
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
 

I'm posting this for all the analysis gurus here to watch and have available to them (plus provide a little stoke to the forum). Feel free to comment, but I'm not looking for any detailed movement analysis at the moment... however, if the mood strikes you go for it. If anyone wants copies of individual runs/clips, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send them to you (most runs are over 5mb in size). The skiing is far from perfect, but its getting better. The best skiing in my opinion is toward the end of the video as the last 4 runs were the most recent ones filmed. The equipment I am on is a bunch of different race skis (Fischer/Nordica; 165/183/186) and in one clip I am in different boots from all the other clips. Enjoy.

 

 

 

Later,

 

Greg

Perhaps I am a bit late to the party but I just recovered my password after a 4 year hiatus.  Watching this video made me smile.  The 2009 version of you is a heluva lot more "wooden" than the current incarnation.  I am posting in this thread just so that you get a notification of a new post and you watch the video again....and smile.  Super nice progression in your skiing.  Kudos!  

post #89 of 106
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Originally Posted by Holimonter View Post

Perhaps I am a bit late to the party but I just recovered my password after a 4 year hiatus.  Watching this video made me smile.  The 2009 version of you is a heluva lot more "wooden" than the current incarnation.  I am posting in this thread just so that you get a notification of a new post and you watch the video again....and smile.  Super nice progression in your skiing.  Kudos!  

Lol. Welcome back and thanks for the bump! It's been quite ride these past few years. Here's to the next few! beercheer.gif
post #90 of 106
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
 

I'm posting this for all the analysis gurus here to watch and have available to them (plus provide a little stoke to the forum). Feel free to comment, but I'm not looking for any detailed movement analysis at the moment... however, if the mood strikes you go for it. If anyone wants copies of individual runs/clips, send me a PM with your email address and I'll send them to you (most runs are over 5mb in size). The skiing is far from perfect, but its getting better. The best skiing in my opinion is toward the end of the video as the last 4 runs were the most recent ones filmed. The equipment I am on is a bunch of different race skis (Fischer/Nordica; 165/183/186) and in one clip I am in different boots from all the other clips. Enjoy.

 

 

 

Later,

 

Greg


Looking at your you tube channel   I only have one thing to say - amazing progression ( 2009 - 2014) !  Keep on doing what you are doing .Congratulations on your skiing!

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