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Best all-mountain ski?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hey folks, been looking into getting new skis (blew an edge on old carvers ), I want to start venturing off-piste a bit but can only afford one pair so am thinking all-mountain skis are the best bet.

 

I've narrowed it down to the Blackeye's (regular or Ti?), Watea 78's, and K2 apache series, all in low 170cm lengths. Just wondered what your guys opinions where on the best choice out of these for someone of my ability and weight? and also do you think low 170's is a bit on the short side?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 24
Thread Starter 

oops forget to give weight etc!!!

 

I'm 6'2", 160-170lb, probably a lvl 7. Mostly want to ski med-long radius turns on piste, but venture off-piste now and again... 

 

Thanks again!

post #3 of 24

Do you want an east or west all-mountain ski?  How fast do you like to go?  Do you also want to do bumps? Suggestions on what you should demo will vary with your answers.

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hey thanks for your interest. Basically I want an east all-mountain ski, I do want to do bumps but they're not a priority. Would like good edge grip and would be best if turn iniation wasn't too difficult. I don't ski too fast, however my last pair of skis were salomon streetracers (heard they're similar to the equipe sc...), and I found these to be limited when I got up to speed, so something a bit more stable at speed than these would be nice....

post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 

Also what do you guys think about the crimsons?

post #6 of 24

Well your better All mountain skis are Head Monster series (IM78 might fit you best), Atomic Crimson, Nordica Nitrous, Dynastar 8000, and Fisher Watea 78 all get great reviews from the pros and users like many of us. Demo Demo Demo!!!

 

All of these are pretty much in the same class but will ski differently. You may find they aren't as carving as you want. So you may end up going down to a wider carver ski like the Head Supershape, Dynastar Contact, or some of the Fishers that fall into this class are always favorites.

post #7 of 24

I recomend the Atomic Crimson Ti. I demoed these in the East at 169cm and they carved fantastic on ice and were wide enough to float in soft snow. An awesome go anywhere do anyrhing ski.

post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by skylolow View Post

Well your better All mountain skis are Head Monster series (IM78 might fit you best), Atomic Crimson, Nordica Nitrous, Dynastar 8000, and Fisher Watea 78 all get great reviews from the pros and users like many of us. Demo Demo Demo!!!

 

 

All good choices IMHO.  I would add 2 more versatile skis to try out. If you can find the Atomic Metron11B5 C, that is a very fun ski. Good hold on ice, quick carver, energetic, stable in crud and it has enough surface area for eastern off-piste rides. I would go at least 170cm in length.

 

I also find the K2 PE pretty good off-piste, but the other skis mentioned above are better on groomers.  However, it is cheap; good for quiver building.

post #9 of 24

I'm a female, roughly your weight and ability level, and seem to prefer your turn shape preference as well....or maybe it's my skis that prefer that turn shape.  I'm on my "third set" of K2 Apache Recons (if you count the XP's) and I also own the Outlaws.  Either would be a fine choice depending on your mix of groomers and powder.  Given the "now and again" of your off-piste preferences, I'd pick the Recons, with the caveat that once the snow gets over your boot tops you'd want more float.  I've never tried the Xplorer's but have heard great things about them. All my skis are 167's.  You might prefer the next longer size, but these skis are not the best in tight trees, so you might want to go with the shorter length because of that (i.e. 167).

 

As other have said, demo.

post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hey everyone thanks for your advice. Think I'm leaning towards the blackeye's or Wateas (maybe 84's). But After listening to you guys (and girls), think I'm gonna check out the K2's and head monsters aswell.

 

I won't have time to demo all of these though so has anyone skiied all all a couple of these, maybe to try and cut the list down a bit?

 

Also has anyone skied the blackeye ti's, really interested in them, don't really know how different they'll be to the regular blackeyes...

post #11 of 24

Best for who?  You of course, but the ski that puts the biggest smile on your face may be a different ski from the one that works best for me.  I wanted an 88mm ski, the great Head Monster 88 wasn't right for me, and the Dynastar Mythic Rider is great for me.

 

Regarding ski length...I have very good results for myself buying skis one length less than the max offered in that model...170cm Head SuperShapes and 188cm Mythic Riders are just right for me.

post #12 of 24

Volkl Bridge for me...I ski it when there's no fresh snow and even when there is.  Once it starts to get real deep though..I step up to my fatties.  It is really though a fantastic all mtn. twin.

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by brad8901 View Post

 

oops forget to give weight etc!!!

 

I'm 6'2", 160-170lb, probably a lvl 7. Mostly want to ski med-long radius turns on piste, but venture off-piste now and again... 

 

Thanks again!

 

It seems like a low 170cm ski would be a little short, especially for off-piste and longer radius turns.  I'm 6'0'', 180 lb, and I'm currently riding some High Society FRs at 179cm and 187cm, which have a mid-20s turn radius.  My old skis are Salomon StreetRacer 9 at 165cm and 15m turn radius, which were absolutely holding me back.  As soon as I upgraded to a longer (and wider) ski, I felt more stable at speed and in variable condition snow.  I'd be looking in the high 170s or low 180s for an all-mtn ski.

post #14 of 24

Oops......meant to do a private message.....

post #15 of 24

I tried the Atomic crimson - think it was the ti - had those chrome 'vents' on it.

You really need to try it and see for yourself.  You are now in the 86mm waist width.

It's got a lot of energy to it and is great for softer snow.  I didn't like it much on the harder stuff out west.  As someone commented, it transmits every single little bump from the snow.

I've never been crazed about the feel of Atomics but people love them.

 

Apache recon is a good choice.  It's a very solid all around performer.  I think it's more towards the "finesse" category of skier than "power".

 

Head super shape Magnum.   It's 71mm in width.  BobPeters uses it at Jackson Hole in 177cm.  I use it East in 170cm and at your weight it should be fine.  Not tremendous grip but pretty good.  Has a unique feel to it that's really great.

 

I'll throw out another: Kastle 78  you should try both the 168 and 176.

Elan 82ti also. Not the xti.

 

Fwiw, I had the Soloman street racer 10 a couple years ago and consider it one of the worst skis I've ever owned.  Actually definitely the worst.  Brought it with me out west and made one run on it before going into the shop and demoing.

post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Fwiw, I had the Soloman street racer 10 a couple years ago and consider it one of the worst skis I've ever owned.  Actually definitely the worst.  Brought it with me out west and made one run on it before going into the shop and demoing.

lol nice one! Now I know it's not just my technique! I agree, the worst skis I have EVER owned by far!!!

post #17 of 24

SoftSnowGuy.   Why do you like the Dynastar Mythic Riders, what characteristics do you like, how do they perform?   Could you give me a rundown, thinking about trying.  thanks Pete

post #18 of 24

For the east, you may want to try the Cool or Cold Heats instead of the Watea. The Cool Heats work well for me.

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

 

Why do you like the Dynastar Mythic Riders, what characteristics do you like, how do they perform?   Could you give me a rundown, thinking about trying.  thanks Pete

I demoed both the MR in 178 and Elan 888 in 177 last weekend.   Just didn't care for the MR.  I'm 6'1", 170#s and level 7/8 skier.  Both skis absolutely blasted through crud as many have mentioned in previous reviews.  I didn't reach the speed limit of either ski but much preferred the more agile feeling 888.  YMMV.

post #20 of 24

The Mythic rider is stiff enough to just blow through Crud, tip is soft enough for the powder days.  I have 178cm and i'm 205lbs, 6'0" and i float in knee high pow easily.  On the groomers it need to get some speed before you really appreciate the rebound energy of the ski.  Moguls take a little more work, but that probably the 178cm length. You can transition from Groomers to crud to tree's and pow and back onto groomers effortlessly.  I wouldn't be riding anything lower than 88cm for an all-mountain ski especially if you want to venture off-piste.  Very lively ski with lots of energy.

 

 

post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hey all, thanks for your advice. Think I'm going to demo a few pairs in longer lengths than I previously planned. I'll make sure to let you know how it goes

 

Thanks for your help everyone!

post #22 of 24

Well, I'm no pro, but I demo'd a Nordica Afterburners at Camelback out here in the East 3 weeks ago and I really enjoyed thier performance!  I'm  a 45 yo, 6'2" 205 and a level 5-6( not sure as I startred skiing last year after a 25 year vacation).

post #23 of 24

HI Brad;

I just wrote a review on Blizzard Magnum 8.7. If you are an aggressive proficient skier and want to take your skills off piste. read this review.

 

Happy Turning

Faripour

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hey thanks faripor.

 

Oh and and nice review by the way!

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