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post #1 of 17
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Don't you hate it when you write out a long, detailed post, and then your browser craps out on you? 

 

I'm a big patroller, 300 lbs, 6'5", Lange L10 boots.  Currently on 191 Atomic R:EX, and also ski some 194 Volant Chubbs. Favorite color is grey ;)

 

Love both of my current pairs of skis.  Moved away from thin-waisted skis a long time ago and found stuff like the R:EX and Chubb can hold their own on midwest concrete hardpack (and really get to shine when you get fresh stuff or the sun gives you piles of crud.  They've got the spine and torsional stability not just for me...but also for pulling loaded sleds down the hill.

 

Am considering new skis.  I want to stick with skis of at least mid eighties waist.   Thinking I'd like to get a bit shorter.   Don't want to give up ride and stability...but for the few times I lumber into the moguls...I'd like to feel a little less like the boards are wedged in the last three moguls I've passed.  I know technique and skill would help...but I'm not opposed to cheating.

 

Skis I want to demo on my trip to Utah next week already include Atomic Crimson Ti's and K2 Explorers....thinking 184...not sure if 177 wouldn't be too short.   Also thinking Volkl AC50's and Grizzlies.

 

From what I've said...anything else seem to fit the bill as "must try?"

post #2 of 17

Mythic Rider, IM 88, AC50 (I know you said that one)

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

thanks for those... i actually found my old thread on this, and the MR, and the IM show up every time...

 

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Originally Posted by skierhj View Post

Mythic Rider, IM 88, AC50 (I know you said that one)

 

post #4 of 17

 Hart Boss 195 (Pm Gear SuperBro, AK King Salmon) 121/91/101, freight train of a ski. I have a pair still in the wrapper, PM if interested. 

post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

Well, I've confirmed I can get the following to try:

Dynastar Mythic Rider 184cm
Atomic Crimson Ti 183cm
Blizzard Magnum 8.7 181cm
k2 Xplorer 184
Volkl AC50
K2 Coomba

 

I'm gonna have to figure out now what I think are the strongest contenders. Those skis I want to try on less-than-perfect days (no new snow), on the crud, ice and in the groomers to see how they respond.

 

Really wondering now if I want to drag either my fall-back or my powder skis out with me (though I don't want to end up hating everything and wishing I had my stuff).

post #6 of 17

I'd suggest that you drop the last two off your list and then pick the one out of the first four that you like the best.

 

SJ

post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 

I'm reading up trying to live vicariously through the forums to see whcih ski might best match the performance of my R:EX 191, but in a 181/184 ski.  From there...it's which ski excels beyond to match my current ability, style and technique and feels and skis great.

 

I'm even thinking I may not get four demos in to five days of skiing, so I may have to pick the most likely 3 candidates.

post #8 of 17

195 PM Gear SuperBRO.  You're a big guy, so you won't have any trouble with these.  Don't be afraid of a big ski. 

post #9 of 17
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I'm trying to shorten up a bit from the 191 R:EX and 194 chubb.  From the scales I'm seeing here and elsewhere, I'd be a nine, but am a 8-8.5 ish skiier (big gaping hole in the mogul ability...I can be like Steve Martin in "The Jerk" trying to find the rythym.)

 

I was thinking if I shorten up slighty, I'll still have the amount of edge I like for everyday skiing, but the boards won't feel so long in the bumps when I attempt to play.

 

From reading, the SuperBro's sound neat...but almost like they'd be stiffer than i need.  How do they compare to an R:EX?

post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

day 1 of trip spent on Blizzard 8.7's.

 

Not used to this much shape in a ski...On arcing turns on groomers, when I turned them over, really felt tips and tails engaging.   Also noticed that unlike my R:EX's, I couldn't open up the turn by giving them a little less knee or boot angle.  Took me a little while to find the best weight position for me on them so they felt their smoothest in a turn.  Also noticed once I had weight distribution right, they had a

 

Found a couple of places where  I was able to dip into some 2-day old untracked stuff... Really tough for me to find a good float balance with them. But hell, i just got here and might have had problems with the Chubbs:)

 

Moguls...well, I suck in moguls. thought shorter length would help me a bit...but it didn't really.  What I gained in my poor technique of being able to bring the ski around quicker when I was into something tight, I had to force my brain to tell my feet to keep them pointed down hill into the fall line instead of just billy-goating back and forth in the bumps.

 

Gonna do them another day so I think I'm giving them a fair shake.

 

Studying the numbers on the rest of the suggestions here...thinking the MR will likely be the ski I'd be most comfortable with.... Reading around some more, even thinking the 8000 might even be a better fit.

 

 

 

post #11 of 17
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day 1 of trip spent on Blizzard 8.7's.

 

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Found a couple of places where  I was able to dip into some 2-day old untracked stuff... Really tough for me to find a good float balance with them. But hell, i just got here and might have had problems with the Chubbs:)

 

 

 


 

You're looking at all the wrong skis if you're looking for float in even the longest available lengths any of the skis you're considering.  They're too stiff up front and there's not nearly enough girth to keep you afloat.  You're probably closer to 310 or 315 with all your gear on.  I'd advise looking for something fatter and longer.  A 180ish cm ski in the mid-80's just ain't going to cut it.

 

If you can put float on the backburner I would take a look at Stockli.  Maybe a 188 Stormrider XXXL that's 89mm underfoot.  It doesn't have a lot of sidecut either which will help in softer snow.

post #12 of 17

try the watea 101.  They ski long and stable on the groomers, fun in the chop, and short and playful in moguls.

 

On paper, they're longer than your R:EX's, but on the snow, they feel short when you ski slow and long when you ski fast!

 

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by lurking bear View Post

 

try the watea 101.  They ski long and stable on the groomers, fun in the chop, and short and playful in moguls.

 

On paper, they're longer than your R:EX's, but on the snow, they feel short when you ski slow and long when you ski fast!

 


 

You think they're stiff enough?  No doubt he could have a ball on the Watea 101 or something similar but they aren't close to what he stated he's looking for.  When it comes down to it between the OP's vitals and his requirements he's painted himself into a very small corner.

 

Carphunter - I have the utmost respect for Patrollers but you're asking a lot of any ski at those dimensions and your weight.

post #14 of 17

Magnus, 

 

I agree that what he wants probably doesn't exist.

 

I think the Watea101 hits 2 out of 3- good stability, and mine are reasonably good in moguls.

 

They probably won't have the edge hold on hardpack he wants.

 

This is as close as I could think of.  They might be worth a demo.

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

You guys are right on all fronts.

 

The only way I'm getting down moguls any better is to work on that skill...skis ain't gonna solve my issue.


 

I'm pretty much changing my criteria and am just going to find a ski that matches my style, has roughly the same width as my old ones, and matches how I position my weight when I ski.  If I can shorten up a tad, and still have the same rough ski feel I'm used to...that's the way I'm probably going.


 

Shop guy is on the ball, and has given me some more ideas.  I may try some AC50's tomorrow if they have the 184's.  Friend in the crew skiied the 177's today and did well with them.  He's a technically better skier, and more aggressive...but he's a biggish guy too, and has liked similar skis to mine in the past.
 

 

I'll stop asking for advice now...  I think I'm in for a longer process in the search.


 

Prayin for snow though at this point... just want to take the Chubbs out and coast in some pow for a day or two.
 

post #16 of 17

I own the Hart Boss and have a new pair of Nordica Jetfuels. Im 6ft 230 and the jetfuels are wicked fast and carve any radius turn you need. I would highly recomend them. The Boss super fast but the radius is sorta one dimentional. LONG only. They can make shorter turns but not nearly as well as the jetfuels. Not enough side cut in my opinion. For your size I would go for a wood core for sure with Titanial or steel in there for good messure. Makes a longer lasting ski.

post #17 of 17
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Well, rode Nordica JetFuels for two days.  They worked great.  Felt great.  I honestly think they are probably real similar to the R:EX.

 

I got down everything I wanted to comfortably (when the snow was decent), and they worked well when the snow wasn't stellar.

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