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190 Gotama, LP, or Rossi B100 Quad

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

I found some help here when I was looking for my first big boards a couple years ago, but now I need more.

 

I am 6' 2" 230 lbs and am currently on Fisher Atuas as my everyday ski.  I am a big skier and a level 8.5 but ski out east (Jay Peak, MRG, Killington) and mostly in tighter trees so even though I "could" ski something long in the 190 range it really wouldnt be doing me that much good.  I really like the Atuas, but want something a little bigger and a little stiffer.  I have been looking at Gotamas for a couple of years and go back and forth between the 183 and the 190 length (as i dont really want a 190 cm ski in the east).  I have skied the 183's out west and felt that they were too short but thought they would be a good everyday east coast ski which is not really my intention. 

 

I want to keep skiing the atuas, but would like to add a bigger, stiffer powder ski and was wondering if the 190 Gotamas would fit this or if it would be too much overlap?  Also, if the 190 Gotamas are going to be too long to get around in the east coast trees.  I have read a bunch of stuff about how they ski shorter which i can see but dont want something too long.  I would be getting this years version.

 

The others that I have been thinking about are the Legend Pros (186) or last years Rossi B100 Quads (184) and wonder how these would compare with the 190 Gotama in terms of what I am looking for. Any feedback would be great.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 14

I'm 5'9''-10'', 175 lbs and ski the 190 Goats a lot. They are 186 straight and ski shorter than you would think.

At your size and weight you shoudn't have any issues skiing them in tighter spots too. If you throw a demo binder on them you can switch to a more forward line for narrow places and go back again if you want to open it up on wider slopes. They also are stiff enough for heavier blokes.

post #3 of 14

I'm a similar size, I ski the same terrain (pretty much don't leave Stowe unless I head west... there isn't anything better, but I digress) anyway, I owned a 190cm Gotama. I honestly didn't really like it. Here's why:

 

I think it's a very 'good' all around ski, it's versatile... but for an east coast skier, 105mm in the waist isn't versatile. It's not that great a 'powder' ski, but it's good in bumps (for it's width), it carves OK (for it's width)... versatile in a jack of all trades way.

 

Sounds like you aren't looking for 'versatile' (I wasn't) you want 'excellent' in a specific condition/ terrain, for that there are way better choices. Your other two picks aren't better, they're worse.

 

For east coast trees you want float, pivotability, quickness and some grip to get to the goods. Wide and soft help with float, rocker or shape (lack of) can help with the pivot side of things which all help with quickness... but really hurt when you are faced with wind blasted bullet proof on your way to 'the goods'. A beefier ski with a little rocker or 'early rise' can really help with quickness and still ski OK on firm snow. I like the 4Frnt EHP 186 as a powder day tree ski. I ski the Scott P4 191 as an 'every day' wood ski/ play around ski. The Line Prophet 100 would be good (but more 'versatile' like the Gotama), the Sr Francis bacon is great. Volkl Katana is good choice if you like a big ski feel. Dynastar Huge Trouble is pretty good.

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks Whiteroom, I agree.  The ski I have is a good versatile ski that I can use everyday and think that the Gotama may be more versatile, but think that I would end up skiing it everyday which is not what I am looking for.  I have been interested in the Scott P4's, but again feel like I am stuck in the middle between the 181 and the 191.  Would you say it is a true 191?  How is the SFB in crud after the powder goes away?  I have heard that it is a little soft.  Is there anywhere out east that you have found where you can demo fat skis such as the EHP, Katana, or Huge Troubles?

 

Also, does anyone know about the Fischer Porohete's?

post #5 of 14

I just wanted to chime in about pivotability. 

 

I think it's often a mistake to go shorter for more pivotability in the trees because you lose surface area, and don't float as well as you go shorter. Shape/flex are more important, imo. 

 

Try a hybrid shape like the Protest, JJ, ARG, S7 for resort trees, and choose the longest length available for your size. I think you'll be shocked at how maneuverable they are. Being as you'll be in pow and on soft snow, it's really quite hard to go wrong with any of them and they don't warrant the debate as much as firm-snow skis do. What pow ski isn't a blast in pow? 

 

However, some are designed to go straight and some are designed to pivot. For resort trees, I'd recommend a hybrid with traditional side-cut underfoot, flat running length, and tip/tail rocker/slow rise. 

 

post #6 of 14

Makes Sense.

 

Just one request from y'all. I realize I'm showing my extreme gaperness, but what are these models?

Maybe it's just this new editor which doesn't give me the translations anymore!

I know an S7 is a Rossi...

EHP

ARG

JJ

Protest

SFB

 

Geez, and I thought it was difficult to try and pick from ones that I knew. Now I realize I know nothing.  I guess if I had a Prophet I wouldn't have to resort to such Thugish behavior and be an Enforcer of grammar.  Just shows I'm a Goat Hellbent on Big Trouble looking to be a Legend! Will probably end up floating on a Pontoon with some Phantom waiting to board the Mothership.

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post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

What about a Katana?  I have heard lots of good things and think the 190's (skiing like a 186) could work well.  How does the zero camber help the pivot?  I am guessing helps, right? 

 

My biggest concern though with these is that is looks like there are some quality issues.  Any thoughts on this?

post #8 of 14

The Katana's 'problems' that i've seen have been tied to the powder chute tail, next years Katana does away with this and has a tail like the Mantra.

 

As for demos in the east... I can help with that.

 

I've got 4Frnt, Icelantic, Liberty, Stockli, Kastle, Head and some random stuff  (like a Katana 183cm) all for demo here in Stowe. Come up on a Tuesday or Thursday when we've got some fresh snow and I'll show you where to put them to work.

post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Vermonster92 View Post

What about a Katana?  I have heard lots of good things and think the 190's (skiing like a 186) could work well.  How does the zero camber help the pivot?  I am guessing helps, right? 

 

Yes, Pivot is easier than if it had camber.   Also, it decambers/reverse cambers as soon as you put any weight on it.    One of the place I notice this is on soft groomers or roads.  If feels like ski under foot is digging into the snow and slowing down.

 

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Originally Posted by Vermonster92 View Post

My biggest concern though with these is that is looks like there are some quality issues.  Any thoughts on this?

 

It seems the problem was with last years model (07/08).   I guess it was 1st year product issues.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

The Katana's 'problems' that i've seen have been tied to the powder chute tail, next years Katana does away with this and has a tail like the Mantra.

 

Not sure I think a "Mantra tail" is an improvement.   I think I would have preferred a regular shallow tail, just removing the plastic.

 

I like how the tail sinks in powder.  It would be nice it sink more like Sanouk.  It would also make the ski a little easier to swing around in powder for tight tree skiing.  

 

Whiteroom:  Have you been on the new Katana?   How different does it feel?

 

 

 

post #10 of 14

I ski a 183 Goat and weigh 163. So you need the 190, period. Agree that it runs short and rocks in tight places, also agree with Whiteroom that it's a nice jack of all trades, master of none. Your other candidates are better fits to your size, but are not tree skis IMO and both like big open spaces to run. Not east coast. Katanas or HT's seem like a good alternative, and I've heard great things about the P4's maneuverability. 

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the tips, I found a good deal on a pair of this years Katanas and pulled the trigger.  Hopefully everything is here in time for some snow next week.  The P4's do seem pretty nice, but again the 181 is going to be too short, but think the191 if it skis closer to a true 191 will be too much.

 

Any advice for where to mount the katana?  I am inclinded to just go at the line, but open to suggestions.  No switch or anything like that.

 

Thanks

 

Whiteroom, its been a while since I have been to Stowe so may need to hit you up.

post #12 of 14

It skis great right on the line, I'd mount it there.

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

To report back the skis Rock!! I got them mounted and ended up going what worked out to be about +1.5.  I brought them to Summit Ski and Snowboard in Framingham, MA and they were great ...another story...www.epicski.com/forum/thread/81773/great-local-ski-shop-summit-ski-and-snowboard-boston-area they used a method measuring from the tail to where the toe of your boot should be which apparently was what shops used to do before companies started putting the line on its skis.

 

Anyways, I hit up one of the best storms the east coast has seen since Valentines Day a couple years ago which netted us about 70" in 6 days.  I was skiing the new Katanas in knee to waist deep pow in trees and they did everything I could have of asked them to do.  Granted the conditions were absurd and got my first real experience of blower pow, but the skis absolutely rocked in every condition, even taking them out to bumps and groomed trails.  It wasnt my intention but I think I am going to spend the majority of my time on these....not just after a couple feet of new snow.  They are a wide ski, but are really a versatile ski and think the 190" length is perfect for me. Fingers still crossed on the durability, but I really hope they hold up.

 

In regards to the mounting point, they were great in the pow, but if this is what you are going to use the ski for I would put them on the line.  If you want a little more versatility move them up a little.  All in all you wont be dissapointed.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

 

 I honestly didn't really like it (Gotama). Here's why:

 

I think it's a very 'good' all around ski, it's versatile... but for an east coast skier, 105mm in the waist isn't versatile. It's not that great a 'powder' ski, but it's good in bumps (for it's width), it carves OK (for it's width)... versatile in a jack of all trades way......

 

I honestly didn't like it either.

I demoed a pair (Gold model) on a frozen spring day, hard groomers. (granted, not their designated niche, but I wanted to check the all-around potential and there was no pow) Took them down the mountan run. It's a long, road-like run, low angle but capable of producing some speed in these conditions. I ski this run a thousand times a year, so it's a good  test track. So I'm coming into a big sweeping left turn, over a lip, falling away to a steeper face. Like I said, I've made that left turn thousands of times on a dozen different skis. I was pushing these a litlle to see if they could stand the heat. They started to drift and drift and way drift. I was looking at the trees at the edge of the run coming closer and closer. Drifter, closer.

No, I didn't like em a bit, no I didn't. 

 

(can't vouch for the Volkl rep's tune, as I didn't do the fingernail test)

 

This ski started with two layes of metal wood sandwich (black with abrupt tail tip and budha image) and is now wood and fiberglass.

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