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So what really matters?

post #1 of 9
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So here I am waxing the skis. The wife's and yours' truely. I am thinking that... what is a good, but not perfect wax job? I mean, really who notices? The average Joe? Not really. Racer boy/girl, sure. Fact is, after three or four runs everyone's fresh wax job looks the same. Most people don't require perfect, but need "good". I want good. Same for the wife. Besides, I don't want to spent an hour making our wax job perfect.


See, I am an expert when it comes to Mtn bikes (not so when it comes to skis). I build my personal bikes and fix friend's bikes. I do everything "just so". It pleases me to have my (and my friend's) bikes just so and I believe it makes a difference. Well for my mind anyway and yea I have that 2% advantage. But not to the average Joe or Betty. Fact is I get dusted by people riding less than perfect bikes. More than dusted actually.


So this brings me to the subject at hand. What really matters for one's skis and perhaps boots? Yes I have the boots and I have learned that a good edge tune is important, but really what matters? Matters to the average or above average skiier. Not a perfect waxing I am sure.



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Waxing with wife, things could get kinky.  



post #3 of 9
Originally Posted by SNPete View Post

Yes I have the boots and I have learned that a good edge tune is important, but really what matters? Matters to the average or above average skiier. Not a perfect waxing I am sure.




 No need to tune the edges of the boots.  Or wax them.

post #4 of 9

Definitly the boots - good fitting boots covers a multitude of Sins


Tuning the Ski's makes them do what you want them to do!


Waxing the Ski's with a wax that is as close to the manufacturers suggestion, for temperature, will get You the best result's


Be Good or Eat Wood!

post #5 of 9

Boots for sure matter to me, I had to replace my boots this year and it scared the heck outta me that I might not find a great fit, I was gunna get Strolz but found one I am really happy with (thank the lord cause the other was the years ski budget)

The skiis well thats an interesting thought, the tuneing or noticability of lack of tuneing depends alot on the conditions, I get away with a less then perfect edge if I am in deeper softer snow then when I am on Ice or very hard pack ,I need my to trust my edges to get my feet outside of my body in these conditions. I don't ski as seriously as I once did, but when I did it was edges and the right wax and texturing everytime out (ya I could tell). Now I like to keep my bases in pretty good shape but dont worrie about minor scrapes i waite for a gouge usually now before I do base work. It matters more that your skis are not railed then base hi if you are going to have one of those two problems. It seems detuning is not nessasary with the new skiis (I didn't use to detune my own but I counted on them being twitchy at the time, and was willing to pay the price for lack of concentration to get the performance I was after) Sorry if my thoughts are rambling but I am putting it down as I reflect.

Anyway it is a good idea to keep an edge on your skiis at all times so they are ready to grip on the harder surfaces, this will improve your skiing just for the simple fact you can trust your equipment to not slide away from you causeing you to have to gwet more on top of yiour skiis. Wax ya I like mine to slide I use a good wax and apply it every couple times out still. Remeber set the skiis outside for a 1/2 hr befgor scraping the excess off if you have the time.( smooth ski is always better then a "grabby " one comes down to trusting your equipment again) I guess the higher end your skiing gets the more the tune matters and the better the tune the easier it is to advance your skiing.

And thats all I have to say about that

post #6 of 9

Boot fit is tops on my list.  Specifically, when I move my foot, I want the boot to move, no slop, no delay.   I sure wish I could make the boots comfy as well.  I much prefer modern boots because I can do more with them in terms of applying greater force to the skis and snow, but nothing is worse than a too-loose boot modern or otherwise; I even prefer an old leather boot to a sloppy boot with comfy insole that has no precision on the bottom and lets your foot roll around.


Skis: right tool for the job.  Choose a ski with the appropriate turn radius and stiffness for the skiing you enjoy the most or do the most of (it's a tough compromise).  If your are rich, you can get a quiver, but you still have to choose what ski to take on the hill for the next few hours.


Edges are important on ice, but not so much on snow.  I don't mind dull edges in moguls, but when carving I want the edges sharp. 


Wax is a pleasure.  It's only needed if you have some skating or other traversing to do, or spend a lot of time on fairly flat run outs back to the lift.  It's important if you must go as fast as possible, but even then only makes a slight difference compared to wind resistance.  I hear it prevents your bases from base-burn and oxidation (which would make your bases bad at absorbing and using wax)


Goggles are needed at speed so you can see.  I wish I could find a way to keep them from fogging up, or rather to keep my glasses from fogging and icing up under them.


Clothing is required to stay warm.  Water proof and breathable.  They make it with 20,000 mm waterproofness and 10, 000 (units?) breathability.  Too bad I'm to picky to buy the cheap stuff and too cheap to buy the good stuf. 


Poles make skiing a little easier; they help me balance,  though they sometimes beat me up when I use them inappropriately (radius is now good, thumb should be another couple of weeks before I can use poles again).


Helmet:  Gotta get one someday.

post #7 of 9

OK, boots, sure. I think gloves are really important, both from the fit and warmth point of view. Next would be jacket in my book. If you ski where the snow's hard, edges would figure in.

post #8 of 9
Originally Posted by SNPete View Post

......what is a good, but not perfect wax job? I mean, really who notices?...

I was at a shop the other day, declining to buy a $50 base brush. Right wax for snow temp, hot application, scrape with acrylic, done.


beyond that must have to do with a racer's need for the wax to be perfect out of the start gate. me, I'll let the snow burnish it. the results will go from good to great on an acceptable time line.


and wax often, for traverses especially, but also, skis that slide forward better also slide sideways (turn)better


YOU will notice

post #9 of 9

Ill go with boots as others have said.  Without proper fitting boots, and ones that are good for the type and or level of skiing you do, you cannot ski at your best, it can be dangerous, and it can be painful and thus not fun, defeating the whole purpose of going skiing.


I will say this much about ski tuning, it feels great when you run some freshly tuned and waxed skis, even if you are not racing they just seem to do what they were designed to do so much better....so once again, its about the fun factor thing.   We aren't saving the world we are ultimately doing this to have fun, and if your gear is holding you back, than it is an important factor that needs to be addressed otherwise why bother. 

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