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Smith goggles and lenses (size, FOV)

post #1 of 15
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I'm probably going to try some new Smith goggles.

 

I've only been able to find some i/o's locally to check out... will make a run to see the knowledge and prodigy.

 

I want to ge a goggle that 1) resists fogging, and unfogs quickly, and 2) has the best field of view.

 

I'm having trouble determining from Smith's site which goggles have the best FOV.  They mark goggles for fit (medium, medium/large, and large), but I don't know that that correlates to the FOV.

 

At the moment, I'm thinking the Knowledge, I/O, or Prodigy.  Anyone who's had at least two of the three who can comment on FOV?

 

As for fogging, I may opt for a turbo fan model (i can get a bit of a discount...so this ain't as sharp a bite as it could be :).   I despise when I'm skiing in Utah on a heavy snow day, and within two hours, you can not keep the goggles from fogging.  In the past, it's normally a combination of the foam on the top vents being soaked with water/snow, and my Boeri shorty riding directly on the goggle.  If they fit, I'm going to get a Smith Variant Brim to alleviate part of this problem...but I still want the goggle to be as fog-resistant as possible.

 

 

Finally, lenses... if I understand correctly, the Sensor is good for flat light and snowing, while the Ignitor is for bright sun, etc.   Do either of these lenses give good flat light/heavy snow vision while still being ok for full-on sun?

post #2 of 15

I bought a couple pair of Prodigy goggles last year when SAC had a deal (about $36 if I remember right).  They came with the RC36 lens, which is my preference for clear/sunny days.  For flat light or overcast days, I bought both a sensor mirror lens and a yellow lens that I can swap with the RC36.  Both are equally capable in those conditions, perhaps the sensor a teeny bit better in flat light.  When the sun pokes out, I found the yellow lenses a little easier on my eyes.  So I think yellow is a bit more versatile overall.

 

The field of view of the Prodigy is quite good -- way better than other goggles I have owned.  Between the excellent optical clarity, the fog-free operation, and the field of view, I often forget I am wearing goggles.  Lenses are fairly easy to swap, so that's a plus.  I generally choose between the RC36 and sensor or yellow in the morning, and carry the other strapped to the back of my helmet if I want to swap lenses later on.

 

BTW, I have never had fogging issues, even in heavy snow and when I am working hard.  Whatever arrangement exists between the Prodigys and my helmet, it seems to vent well.

post #3 of 15

FOV is hard to quantify which is why they don't list it on their sites.  The larger fit tends to have larger FOV but not always.  I'm pretty big on FOV too and was using the Prodigy but I am now using the I/O which I find has great vision.

 

As for lenses, I've found that the sensor mirror is great for low light but actually works quite well for all around usage. 

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 

yeah... think i'm between the i/o and the prodigy.  wish i could find them local to get better idea of size.

post #5 of 15

I just bought an IO and a Prodigy turbo fan.  Both have excellent Field of view.  I really like my Prodigy.  The Sensor Mirror is my favorite lens.  It is not great in bright sunlight.  I also find the Ignitor to be not enough on bright days.  There are other high light lenses available, I don't recall the one I wanted to buy offhand right now.  They were out of them on the web site, so I will be getting some new lenses for next season.

post #6 of 15
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does anyone know... with the turbo fan, will it work without the fan running...that is...will it allow normal airflow if the battery gives out?  If not...anyone know how long the thing will last on low setting? 

I've seen mention the battery compartment used to be a pain to take apart on the older models... is it still something you have to work on with a screwdriver?

 

Finally, does the hump for the fan fit well under a variant brim helmet...or does brim interfere with the fan?

post #7 of 15

I lmost never have to use my fan. The goggles just don't seem to fog up. I have a Giro Fuse helmet and have no issues with fit. I don't think you will have a problem with the brim and the visor.

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

ordered the prodigy tf with ignitor and sensor lenses... we'll see how they work out

post #9 of 15

I was on a goggle hunt earlier this year, and I decided ahead of time I wanted to go with Smith after spending years with Oakley.

 

I first bought the Prodigy's with Ignitor and Sensor Mirror lenses, and I didn't like the way they fit at all.  I especially didn't like that dip along the top of the frame above the bridge.  Seemed unnecessary and didn't work well at all with my Giro Encore (at the time) helmet.  I also didn't think the field of view was any better than my old A-Frames or O-Frames.

 

I then tried the I/O, and I didn't think it was as easy to change the lenses as advertised.  Plus, the fit was again weird for me.

 

I finally settled on the Phenoms - 2 pair - one Ignitor and one Sensor.  I understand this is all subjective, but the Phenoms have the best fit, best field of view, and man, what a difference in optical quality over my old Oakleys.  Heavenly was bluebird all last week and the Ignitors were fantastic.  I'm heading up to BC next week: it's supposed to be stormy, and I'm really anxious to see how the Sensor works out.  My wife was so impressed with the Phenom that she bought one with RC36.

 

I was so impressed with the Phenom that I tried out a Variant Brim helmet and ended up buying one on sale at Backcountry (I know you have one, but for anyone else, they are currently on sale at 20% off).  I finally feel like I have the perfect headgear.  As Forrest Gump said, "One less thing."

post #10 of 15

Goggles that hold the lens farther away from the skin resist fogging better if one is working up a sweat. That means the over the glasses models, and due to the shape of the frame may have less field of view.

 

Yes, the goggles work as normal without the fan.  I like the fan and run it on slow all the time on damp days.  Fast is only for a minute or two if it really fogs--really draws the battery down fast.  On slow the battery is good for days and days.

 

I originally got the Sensor Mirror lens and did not like it at all on flat-light days.  I much prefer the RC36 in flat light and sunglasses in bright light.

post #11 of 15

I've found that the fan on my goggles will run a very long time.  I am constantly forgetting to turn it off at the end of the day and it is still going days later.  I think that it doesn't need the fan to work as a regular goggle.  I walked into the patrol tent the other night and got instant fog, I watched it just dissipate over about 30 sec with the fan on.

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I've found that the fan on my goggles will run a very long time.  I am constantly forgetting to turn it off at the end of the day and it is still going days later.  I think that it doesn't need the fan to work as a regular goggle.  I walked into the patrol tent the other night and got instant fog, I watched it just dissipate over about 30 sec with the fan on.

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I have a bad habit of forgetting to turn the fan off because its so quiet.  But the battery last for a very long time.

 

post #13 of 15

I have the prodigy with the blue HI lens.  GREAT GOGGLE!  I also have tried the I/O, but the difference in FOV is negligible between the two.  That and the I/O doesn't really fit well under my helmet and with my face.  On bright days the blue lens is not ideal but I still like to rock a lighter lens anyways, I don't like the dark lenses personally.  The Prodigy is a very comfy goggle with a huge FOV, and anyone who has the 1st gen I/O will bitch about the nose not fitting right (make sure the I/Os you're looking at are the '09s)- not the case with the prodigy.  If you want to spend the extra $50 for the I/O go for it, just check the fit with your helmet first, I felt like a bug with them on because my face is smallish.  I don't think it would ever need a fan and I'm not big on gadgets that will freeze up or that are gimmicky and I don't think the goggle needs it.  Smith is a great company- waaaaay better to deal with than Oakley for sure.  I'd say if money is an object, go for the Prodigy.  If it's not, go for the I/O.  Both are great it's just what works for your situation.   

post #14 of 15

I have the Phenoms and have been very happy with them.  The shaped lenses make everything so much clearer and the FOV, at least for me is excellent.

post #15 of 15
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skied tonight and found a little flaw with my fogless plan.  we had  a mist and fog while skiing.   fans aren't going to help water on the outside of the goggle :)

 

I think i ordered one of their snow erasers... but I'm also thinking about grabbin a ShamWow and cutting it up :)

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