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post #31 of 45

These bindings are very exciting.  I am old enough and have fallen enough to know their potential value.

Why are the toe plate and heel plate set so high off of the ski? They are 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 respectively.

Does that effect the feel of the ski at all?

 

S

post #32 of 45

There's lots of back and forth here on this question.  Do a search -- you'll get loads.

 

In short, there's controversy, but people who've used them seem to like them.  Just got them mounted on my wife's skis (too late, she blew her ACL last season), and I plan to get a set myself.  They don't have the styling and finish (or metal parts) of the better-known brands, but they're the only bindings on the market that do what they do.

post #33 of 45
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There's lots of back and forth here on this question.  Do a search -- you'll get loads.

 

In short, there's controversy, but people who've used them seem to like them.  Just got them mounted on my wife's skis (too late, she blew her ACL last season), and I plan to get a set myself.  They don't have the styling and finish (or metal parts) of the better-known brands, but they're the only bindings on the market that do what they do.



That CLAIM to do what you hope....

 

 

post #34 of 45
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That CLAIM to do what you hope....

 

 



Ok, reasonable enough . . . claim.  

 

I haven't heard from anyone who's tried them, though, that they DON'T do what they're claimed to do.  

 

I have heard skepticism from people who haven't tried them.

 

What we really don't know is how well they perform under extreme conditions.

 

That seems to be the gist of the debate going on here.

post #35 of 45
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Ok, reasonable enough . . . claim.  

 

I haven't heard from anyone who's tried them, though, that they DON'T do what they're claimed to do.  

 

I have heard skepticism from people who haven't tried them.

 

What we really don't know is how well they perform under extreme conditions.

 

That seems to be the gist of the debate going on here.



Not for me.

 

If they can stay on the feet of skiers in "extreme conditions" means little to me.

 

That they claim things that are just not proven out in real world skier days does....

 

post #36 of 45
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Not for me.

 

If they can stay on the feet of skiers in "extreme conditions" means little to me.

 

That they claim things that are just not proven out in real world skier days does....

 



 

Si tu veux.  

 

We don't know, you're saying, one way or the other, and I think that's right.  So far they seem no worse than other bindings (under non-extreme conditions), and they might work as claimed.  So if it makes sense to try them, people should be able to try them.  It may be crazy, but it may not.

post #37 of 45
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Si tu veux.  

 

We don't know, you're saying, one way or the other, and I think that's right.  So far they seem no worse than other bindings (under non-extreme conditions), and they might work as claimed.  So if it makes sense to try them, people should be able to try them.  It may be crazy, but it may not.



They are looking for retail testers everyday.....

 

post #38 of 45

 

 

I understand what you're saying.  

post #39 of 45

I’ve used them so I can add my take. I was aware of Knee Bindings over 2 years ago, but like many have said their looks were somewhat uncompelling. Then in Spring 2011 I bought them when they offered a red and black carbon-fiber version. So after skiing park in them for about a year I can give my thoughts:

 

My Background: I'm 43, skiing since 33, weigh 200lbs in full gear, skiing the East hardpack.

 

I only ski park hitting 20-30 foot jumps most of the time, occasionally something bigger. While learning 360’s I frequently crashed and landed backseat. Many were spinning rear-weighted falls with the left leg splayed out. Not sure how many were classic Phantom Foot falls, but spinning crashes would seem to be a fertile environment. So with the kind of encouragement one would expect from the 14-year-olds on the chair lift, I eventually turned my 200-lb crashes into recognizable 360s. Some thoughts:

 

1) There were no ACL tears; lots of bruises, though.


2) Occasionally I switched out my Knee Binding skis (173cm Dynastar Distorters) for my old 161cm Salomon 720s with S912 bindings. Back came an old left knee pain between patella and shin that I’d forgotten about while using the Knee Bindings. Perhaps the elastic release was mitigating whatever torsional force was occurring while popping switch, landing spins, etc. In any event the Salomons transferred this pain to my knee where the Knee Bindings didn’t.


3) There’s definitely more control with the Knee Bindings. Where previously I could carve a sloppy turn with the Salomon’s, now I would drive in an edge with the same maneuver. A more subtle pressure would provoke a greater response. This forced me to clean up the turns.


4) I don’t know if the lateral release – the one that saves your ACL – ever engaged. I do know the skis flew off many times and I never injured my knee. Unfortunately there’s no way to tell if the lateral release was the reason for the ejection. It’d be cool if a plastic tab popped out to announce one had occurred (or better yet in my case, a counter.)


5) It takes more effort to get the boots in. I don’t know if this is a thing with just Full Tilts or all boots, but gearing up in the old S912’s is much easier.

 

Here's my setup:

 

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post #40 of 45

I just picked up a pair today - I will mount them on my Rossi 98's.  I am by no means "extreme" but I am large (270 lbs) and fairly aggresive.  Never had any ACL problems - lets hope it stays that way. 

post #41 of 45

Picked up my KneeBinding Carbons about two weeks ago. Have been skiing them hard ever since to try and get some feedback. I have to say I was a little worried with all the hate going around on the internet for these bindings, but I bought them because it seemed everyone who bought them loved them. I've tried loads of other bindings and have to say these are AMAZING! I skied moguls, park, carved hard and had ZERO releases. Carving is awesome on these as the power transfer is noticeably better. I mounted these on my Rossi Experience 88's. So many people who haven't tried these are hating on the company because its a fairly new product. Well engineering is fantastic, everything feels very solid and secure. These bindings give me loads of confidence due to their exceptional performance and added safety features. Any questions just let me know! 

post #42 of 45
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Not for me.

 

If they can stay on the feet of skiers in "extreme conditions" means little to me.

 

That they claim things that are just not proven out in real world skier days does....

 

I fully respect your opinion, but what experience do you have with this product? Why are you so animated with this product and not something like the Fischer Vacuum boot, which appears to be getting VERY mixed reviews from the 'retail testers' who bought the 'test' product this year? There were claims made, the jury is mixed. Seems like the folks skiing on Kneebindings are overwhelmingly HAPPY with the product.

 

I've had the binding on a test bench... in a lab setting it does EXACTLY what they claim, it releases in a way that traditional bindings just don't. I have literally pulled a 300lbs bench off the ground without a release from a 'traditional' binding set at a 4.5 DIN when the force was coming from 15cm behind the heel. With a Kneebinding it released... at 4.5. Sure, that's in a lab, not in 'real world' testing... but in my view that's better. Who knows what's going on 'in the real world' with random folks walking around in their boots, not clearing snow, etc.

 

just sayin', I've tested it, have you?

 

(of course, I find the number of people who join EpicSki specifically to talk about their great experience with Kneebinding is a little suspect)
 

 

post #43 of 45

212 ski days on KneeBindings and still a happy customer!

post #44 of 45

An update on experience with Knee Binding.  I have only on them for close to three years.  120+/- days.   Last week I skied Big Sky MT, two groomed runs, the rest mogul runs, 20 runs.  No problems.   Not sure if this counts as real world.  

 

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