Epic now OUT OF BOUNDS - Page 2

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Originally Posted by Talyn 

Vista works fine, people just don't accept change very well.
 

I personally wouldn't recommend anyone upgrade to Vista if they weren't already planning on it.  Not because it's bad (I haven't used it yet), but 'cause Vista's not exactly free.  Firefox is.

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Originally Posted by crgildart 

Wanna hear something funny?  I work for GreatBigNetworkingComponents Company and we still use IE 6 because all our systems and tools aren't IE 7 compatible.  I

BigFinancialCo right down the road (or I'm guessing maybe even right in the same complex beginning with "NC"!) also is still standardized on IE6 (and XP SP2). As are many large companies which don't roll out new versions of software on the consumer release schedule. We do allow users to self-install FF but 50% of the techie users and probably 90% of the business unit users probably still use our IE6 build as their primary or only browser.

I have a BigFinancialCo laptop here at home, and I just tried it on IE6. The first 4 or 6 times I tried clicking the New Thread button, or the Reply Button (either at top of thread or within a post), nothing happened. Then it kinda sorta sometimes opened the editor. But it's flaky on IE6. Javascript is NOT disabled. All sorts of javascript-based sites including AJAX-based stuff like Google Maps works fine on this IE6 config.

Unless you want everybody who goofs off at work by hanging out on EpicSki to stop contributing , this needs to be looked at. I'm posting this from my personal machine running XP SP3 with FF 3.06.

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Originally Posted by Talyn 

If they are one of the largest network structures, they woudln't have you on XP machines running IE6.... Especially because it is an insecure browser, and its outdated.

As someone who works at a very large semiconductor company, I can fully believe he's still using XP and IE6 at work.  We are too.  Our IT dept has stated that we are *not* going to Vista, but waiting for Windows 7, and I have heard nothing about IE7 other than "don't install it yet."  Big companies never do anything fact when it comes to technology, even if they're tech companies.  I can only imagine what it must be like at big companies that aren't in the tech industry.

OK it worked from the BigFinancialCo IE6 setup, but it's definitely flakey on IE6. There's been a scattering of "can't open editor", "can't hit reply", "can't reply to PMs" comments floating around the last few days. Makes me suspect something's up with the editor and IE6.

As much as we'd all like IE6 to die a quick death, that's probably at least 2 years away before it becomes so infrequent that it can be ignored.

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Originally Posted by dchan 

Microsoft even released new install CD install packages and licenses just recently after the supposed end of sales for XP with SP 3 and new product codes for the OEM market.

 

 

Don't forget all the netbooks being sold with XP, which MS will only give up for that purpose if they meet the licensing restriction of max 1GB of RAM.

Linux has never been so popular on OEM computers aimed at consumers.  Cutting your nose off to spite your face comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Talyn 

If they are one of the largest network structures, they woudln't have you on XP machines running IE6.... Especially because it is an insecure browser, and its outdated.

Yes, it wont work. As I explained in my post before this. It doesn't understand the code, how is it supposto work?

Fact is they are the largest PROVIDER of networking infrastructure products in the world, yet all the employees are running XP and IE 6.  We've been cleared to go and add Office 2007 though  We can also run Firefox and other browsers, just not IE 7

The new machines that are sent out to employees come from the factory with Vista and are immediately downgraded to XP before being put in service.

Edited by crgildart - Fri, 06 Feb 09 15:43:28 GMT

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Originally Posted by crgildart 

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Originally Posted by Talyn 

If they are one of the largest network structures, they woudln't have you on XP machines running IE6.... Especially because it is an insecure browser, and its outdated.

Yes, it wont work. As I explained in my post before this. It doesn't understand the code, how is it supposto work?

 

Fact is they are the largest PROVIDER of networking infrastructure products in the world, yet all the employees are running XP and IE 6.  We've been cleared to go and add Office 2007 though  We can also run Firefox and other browsers, just not IE 7

The new machines that are sent out to employees come from the factory with Vista and are immediately upgraded to XP before being put in service.

Fixed it for you...

It seems that the principle issue with IE6 is load time. You have to be sure that the JavaScript is 100% loaded. If you start to do anything in the page before it loads, some elements of the page will stop loading and you won't get everything you need.

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Originally Posted by ssh 

Fixed it for you...

Thanks

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Originally Posted by ssh 

It seems that the principle issue with IE6 is load time. You have to be sure that the JavaScript is 100% loaded. If you start to do anything in the page before it loads, some elements of the page will stop loading and you won't get everything you need.

OK I'm posting this using IE 6.  What it took:

1) Deleted temp files and offline content.

2) Opened the url then waited and waited thru lots of error messages on the status bar (bottom left) ending up with just "error" and the yellow triangle.

3) I refreshed the page and waited again for all the error messages to scroll across the status bar and eventually got "done but errors on page" with the yellow triangle.

4) I hit refresh again (2nd time) and waited and the page finally loaded properly.

By the way, I have a decent internet connection being the only person on the block using the DSL switch.  I am dubious that someone with dial up can use this with IE 6.

Hope this helps others but if not please reach out to Dan or SSH. 

I strongly recommend Firefox.  I also noticed that IE 8 beta is available at the MS website now.

Mods please edit or delete if you find this advice more harm than good, but it is what worked for my set up. 

Edited by crgildart - 2/7/2009 at 09:51 pm

I appreciate you going to all that pain!

Thanks, crgildart!

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash 

Well I'm back...well part time anyway. I am using Firefox on my laptop for access to this site. However, this will not help me during the work day where I will still be unable to do anything but read on my PC (and also have way more free time than I do at home )

Glad you'll be able to check in, at least, and post from home. Please know that the dev team is looking at a number of changes that could possibly make your experience better (things like moving some parts of the page around so they load earlier and so on).

Hi all--for what it's worth, it just occured to me that my office computer--which I am using right now--runs IE 6 (6.0.2900.2180) on XP, and it works without a hitch.

Is there something I'm doing wrong?   

Best regards,

Bob

Yeh, Bob.  Using IE 6.

Keep in mind Rossi Smash said he was running Windows 2000 and I.E. 6.  That means he can only update as far as Service Pack 1 issued in 2002.  This site works fine with IE-6 Service Pack 2 which is only possible with XP because Microsoft no longer supports Windows NT / 2000.

Just for the record.  This post confirms that IE 8 will also work.  I did have the site bomb out the first time I tried to reply using IE 8 though.  I was about to use the new IE 8 compatibility view tool but got in the conventional way eventually. I think SSH siad he is also trying the MS betas so we OK with it.

My former employer avoided Vista for all the aforementioned reasons and also IE7, because our homegrown software broke on machines with IE7 installed. Two weeks after my layoff, my XP box fried its motherboard, and I had to buy a Vista box to get up and running in the shortest time possible. I usually use Firefox, but this is posted from Safari, just to see if it works. 

Edit: posted ok from Safari, but when I tried to edit the post in Safari, the browser hung. This edit is posted from IE7

Edit 2: Three minutes later, Safari is still out to lunch. This edit done from Firefox

Edit 3: Closed Safari and restarted it. No problems this time. 

Morrison, if you're running Vista, you might also try Google Chrome or Opera. I mean, after all, if 3 browsers is good, 5 must be better!

This is posted from IE8 on Windows 7....

...running in Parallels under OS X...

 The Requested Page could not be displayed.

Posted OK but with slow JavaScript loading and some of the non-responsiveness of the editor, using Opera 9.63 on XPSP2 32-bit.

That problem with sometimes having to reload the entire page to get the javascript to work is still around sometimes, it seems. 

It looks like the dev team have found at least part of the issue (a bug in IE6 that didn't load all of large JavaScript), and I think it will go up with the next push later this week.

I spent some "quality time" trying to use IE 8 tonight.  It is hit and miss, mostly miss for me.  Often the profile photos don't load the first time without having to refresh, same with the emoticon tools.  Refreshing or changing pages also seems to log me off even though I have the box checked "remember me" and also saved it in my IE password info.  I guesss a beta OS + a beta browser + a sitestill under construction are a bad combo at this time.  I'm going back to Firefox.  FWIW it also took some manipulation and massaging to get other favorties I frequent to work with IE 8.

I'm posting this from my child's machine, P3-maybe? ,Win 2K, IE6 with no service pack.  Paging Rossi Smash!  I think he just might be able to use this now.  It did take a veeeeeeery looooong time to load the post pop up window but it is feesible now.

Jamesj, can you give me a little more on what you're trying to do and what it's doing when you make the attempt? We really appreciate you putting those photos in, and want to make sure we address whatever isn't working for you!

Believe it was a personal problem.  Photos had funky punctuation in names that weren't accepted.  Used different photos and they worked, for Blue Knob, PA

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Originally Posted by Jamesj 

 

Believe it was a personal problem.  Photos had funky punctuation in names that weren't accepted.  Used different photos and they worked, for Blue Knob, PA

Cool... so you're all good now?