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post #1 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:33pm
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I writing this from a friends computer as mine no longer allows me to enjoy the full EPIC experience. The 'new and improved' version is now not compatable with my home laptop or my work PC. It only allows me a 'read only' visit. So no more gear pictures to share or PM's to send or even replies to threads.....this Bear has lost his Bark! If anyone is looking to contact me, you can find me over @ Alpine Zone.

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post #2 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I writing this from a friends computer as mine no longer allows me to enjoy the full EPIC experience. The 'new and improved' version is now not compatable with my home laptop or my work PC. It only allows me a 'read only' visit. So no more gear pictures to share or PM's to send or even replies to threads.....this Bear has lost his Bark! If anyone is looking to contact me, you can find me over @ Alpine Zone.

Could you give us any more to go on so we can try to fix it? Were you able to log in? What browser were you using? I don't understand how this could be...

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post #3 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:40pm
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I went through some of this with Dan. I'm using Windows 2000 with IE 6. It was suggested I switch to firefox but I like IE and as EVERYTHING else on the web still works I feel the problem must be here.....

 

Yes I can log in. I can read the posts. I CANNOT;

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Send or reply to PM's

Edit my profile

Start a thread

Basicly do anything but read.


Edited by Rossi Smash - Wed, 04 Feb 09 23:42:29 GMT
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post #4 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I went through some of this with Dan. I'm using Windows 2000 with IE 6. It was suggested I switch to firefox but I like IE and as EVERYTHING else on the web still works I feel the problem must be here.....

 

Ok, gotcha. There are a few things that don't work with IE6, but I get that you should not have to change to suit Epic.

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post #5 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:42pm

I'm having opposite problem, only seem to have full functionality from home, which is set up with firefox.  Thinking maybe there is a firewall issue or maybe lack of firefox?


Edited by Jamesj - Wed, 04 Feb 09 23:43:01 GMT
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post #6 of 59
2/4/09 at 3:43pm
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I'm having opposite problem, only seem to have full functionality from home, which is set up with firefox.  Thinking maybe there is a firewall issue or maybe lack of firefox?


Edited by Jamesj - Wed, 04 Feb 09 23:43:01 GMT

I don't think so... These pages are just HTML, so I don't think that's it. What are the symptoms?

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post #7 of 59
2/4/09 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I went through some of this with Dan. I'm using Windows 2000 with IE 6. It was suggested I switch to firefox but I like IE and as EVERYTHING else on the web still works I feel the problem must be here.....

 

Everything you want to do still works on IE6, until now, of course.  Something has to be the first thing that doesn't work in IE6, right?  You *will* have to upgrade your browser at some point; with the way the web evolves there's no reasonable way for everything to always be backwards compatible, forever.  IE6 is a 7 1/2 year old browser.  Microsoft, who's not exactly speedy at releasing new versions of things, already has the IE8 beta out, and IE7 has been out for 2 1/2 years.  Due to the changing nature of the web, browsers are not something that you can just keep and expect them to keep working forever with no compatibility issues.

 

Sure, they can fix it, and probably will.  But IMO, take this as your sign to try out Firefox, or at the very least IE7.  Just my $.02

 

Note: No affilitation with huddler or the epicski powers-that-be.

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post #8 of 59
2/4/09 at 5:58pm

I don't think it's fair to expect modern website features to support ancient browsers like IE6.  And to be honest, IE in general is horrible at supporting web standards.  It's possible for a site to be 100% compliant with open web standards and still not render correctly in IE.  

 

Equal bitching should be directed at Microsoft in this case.

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post #9 of 59
2/4/09 at 8:09pm

The other problem is win2k does not support ie7 or later. You must upgrade to xp or the very broken Vista to run ie7.

 

of course XP which was supposed to be withdrawn in June, then extended to December, now extended to May 2009 along with a new release of install disks that include SP3. I think some of the major vendors are still being told that while they can not sell windows XP, they must sell the Vista License, they can offer "downgrades" (either free or at a discount) for XP.

 

How's that for marketing.. All this while Windows 7, is in Beta Test and available to just about anyone that wants to "help test" the new OS.

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post #10 of 59
2/4/09 at 8:22pm
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How's that for marketing.. All this while Windows 7, is in Beta Test and available to just about anyone that wants to "help test" the new OS.

 

And, as one who is "testing" it, it's the best Windows I've seen. Much faster than Vista, too.

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post #11 of 59
2/4/09 at 8:29pm

I'm glad to hear they're rushing out a replacement for vista. I purposely bought a Dell laptop last December becuase they offered XP at no extra price. It has 2 gb of ram which would be ample for vista but who wants that rubbish? It's not backwards compatible with anyhting useful (like my version of photoshop) and I cannot see the point in it.

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post #12 of 59
2/4/09 at 8:35pm
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I'm glad to hear they're rushing out a replacement for vista. I purposely bought a Dell laptop last December becuase they offered XP at no extra price. It has 2 gb of ram which would be ample for vista but who wants that rubbish? It's not backwards compatible with anyhting useful (like my version of photoshop) and I cannot see the point in it.

 

There were actually some good reasons (security chief among them)... but they were overshadowed by the bad. Happens sometimes...

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post #13 of 59
2/5/09 at 10:50am

I too can no longer do any of the things Rossi Smash listed while using Opera, my preferred browser.  It works fine wtih vBulletin, but this new forum software is not Opera-friendly.  If I want to post or PM, I have to open IE.

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post #14 of 59
2/5/09 at 11:04am
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I too can no longer do any of the things Rossi Smash listed while using Opera, my preferred browser.  It works fine wtih vBulletin, but this new forum software is not Opera-friendly.  If I want to post or PM, I have to open IE.

 

This is a surprise. Can you give us a bit more information? I'll try it with Opera, too, but any information would be helpful. Which version of Opera?

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post #15 of 59
2/5/09 at 11:08am
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I too can no longer do any of the things Rossi Smash listed while using Opera, my preferred browser.  It works fine wtih vBulletin, but this new forum software is not Opera-friendly.  If I want to post or PM, I have to open IE.

 

This is a surprise. Can you give us a bit more information? I'll try it with Opera, too, but any information would be helpful. Which version of Opera?

This is posted from Opera.
 

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post #16 of 59
2/5/09 at 11:48am

The problems reported by Rossi Smash and Arnoldtheskier resulted from the use of Internet Explorer and having javascript disabled.   I believe Dan has worked out the problem with them.  Javascript is a central component to posting now with the pop-up reply and new post windows.

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post #17 of 59
2/5/09 at 12:15pm

Wanna hear something funny?  I work for GreatBigNetworkingComponents Company and we still use IE 6 because all our systems and tools aren't IE 7 compatible.  I also get the java error in the status bar when I try to reply to a thread using IE 6.  I usually have the little coffee cup java icon in my tray and use pop up windows for lots of apps that look very similar to the Huddle platform.  Please send me a PM with instructions of how I should configure IE 6 to work better with the Huddle stuff.

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post #18 of 59
2/5/09 at 3:51pm
Originally Posted by Jamesj View Post

I'm having opposite problem, only seem to have full functionality from home, which is set up with firefox.  Thinking maybe there is a firewall issue or maybe lack of firefox?


Edited by Jamesj - Wed, 04 Feb 09 23:43:01 GMT

I don't think so... These pages are just HTML, so I don't think that's it. What are the symptoms?

 

Using Explorer at work: Can't reply to threads - obviously a biggie, but maybe good in my case:-) Can't enter ski resort reviews, but can enter data in the resort "related items" section.  Can't post in the Bull Board, but can see when others send me something via Bull Board

At home on firefox I seem to have full functionality.


Edited by Jamesj - Thu, 05 Feb 09 23:51:53 GMT
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post #19 of 59
2/5/09 at 3:59pm

I forwarded an email from Rossi Smash who still has problems posting, to Dan Gill. 

Should I have told him Rossi Smash has both vintatge skis and a vintage computer?

 

Good luck Bill, hope to see you back here soon.  Meanwhile I assume I can heckel you with impunity.

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post #20 of 59
2/5/09 at 4:19pm
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I don't think it's fair to expect modern website features to support ancient browsers like IE6.  And to be honest, IE in general is horrible at supporting web standards.  It's possible for a site to be 100% compliant with open web standards and still not render correctly in IE.  

 

Equal bitching should be directed at Microsoft in this case.

 

 

So Epicski is "cutting edge"! The first website that doesn't work on Rossi Smash's browser of choice. I'm guessing that RS's OS doesn't allow him to update IE. This is a guy who has more pairs of skis than most of us will own in our lifetimes and probably nothing made in the last 25 years. He represents the soul of skiing and the new Epicski represents the opposite. Worst website ever.

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post #21 of 59
2/5/09 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

I don't think it's fair to expect modern website features to support ancient browsers like IE6.  And to be honest, IE in general is horrible at supporting web standards.  It's possible for a site to be 100% compliant with open web standards and still not render correctly in IE.  

 

Equal bitching should be directed at Microsoft in this case.

 

 

So Epicski is "cutting edge"! The first website that doesn't work on Rossi Smash's browser of choice. I'm guessing that RS's OS doesn't allow him to update IE. This is a guy who has more pairs of skis than most of us will own in our lifetimes and probably nothing made in the last 25 years. He represents the soul of skiing and the new Epicski represents the opposite. Worst website ever.

Wow. That's a bit over the top, ain't it? Yeah, it is.

 

EDIT: The issue isn't IE6, it turns out. The site is actually QAd with IE6 (along with other browsers). We'd like to help Rossi Smash and the dev team has been trying, but it's not clear what the issue actually is.


Edited by ssh - Fri, 06 Feb 09 00:48:15 GMT
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post #22 of 59
2/5/09 at 5:02pm
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 The issue isn't IE6, it turns out. The site is actually QAd with IE6 (along with other browsers). We'd like to help Rossi Smash and the dev team has been trying, but it's not clear what the issue actually is.


Edited by ssh - Fri, 06 Feb 09 00:48:15 GMT

 

OK, so why won't my work machine XP wih IE 6 reply to posts either but I can do fine running firefox from the same machine?  I work for the largest networking infrastructure company in the world and all their web based tools and portals work fine on IE 6, pop ups and all.  But this platform does not.  Hummmm.....

 

I'm even thinking that it DID work on that machine with IE 6 Monday but now does not.  Can't be certain of that, but I am certain that it did not work with IE 6 today.


Edited by crgildart - Fri, 06 Feb 09 01:06:42 GMT
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post #23 of 59
2/5/09 at 5:09pm
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 The issue isn't IE6, it turns out. The site is actually QAd with IE6 (along with other browsers). We'd like to help Rossi Smash and the dev team has been trying, but it's not clear what the issue actually is.


Edited by ssh - Fri, 06 Feb 09 00:48:15 GMT

 

OK, so why won't my work machine XP wih IE 6 reply to posts either but I can do fine running firefox from the same machine?  I work for the largest networking infrastructure company in the world and all their web based tools and portals work fine on IE 6, pop ups and all.  But this platform does not.  Hummmm.....

 

I'm even thinking that it DID work on that machine with IE 6 Monday but now does not.  Can't be certain of that, but I am certain that it did not work with IE 6 today.


Edited by crgildart - Fri, 06 Feb 09 01:06:42 GMT

 

It does use JavaScript for a lot of the functions, but it is QAd on IE6 first. Want to PM Dan and allow him to ask you some specific questions about what might be going on?

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post #24 of 59
2/5/09 at 5:34pm

I think the level of support from Dan is just amazing.  Here is the latest email to Rossi Smash in the effort to get him back online.   This is not the kind of stuff you see from someone who doesn't care about finding solutions for everyone.  Some of the criticism being leveled at EpicSki and the Huddler group is really over the top IMO.  I'm looking forward to Rossi Smash being back to posting more historic skis soon.  I saw Trekchick made a wiki out of his stuff Retro Memories

 

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Originally Posted by Dan Gill

Hi Bill - I'm sorry that you're still having issues. We've pinged a number of other folks using IE6 and they're not experiencing any issues.  Others are and there are a variety of potential reasons from network firewall complications to clicking on the page too quickly.

 

Where we left off in our email exchange (below for context), I asked if you were using a dial-up internet connection. If so, IE6 is a notoriously very slow loading browser and also has an issue where if you click during the loading of a page, it freezes the loading of some of the other functional elements of the page. This is what I believe is happening to you.

 

Now, I also have to acknowledge that you weren't having this issue with the previous site and that's because there are some technology choices with the Huddler platform that were made that are not included in the vBulletin platform (as you've requested, I won't go into the nerdy

details.) These choices were made in the interest of functional enhancements not available on vBulletin and involve much more modern web technologies. Unfortunately, because the last release of Internet Explorer 6 happened 4.5 years ago, that browser has trouble quickly loading some of these newer technologies. We have gone to great lengths to make the site function there, but it just doesn't work as well.

 

If you would, try letting the pages load all the way before clicking anything at all on the screen. It may even look loaded, but IE6 may still be cranking through the last pieces of the page so be patient. As I said, one potential issue is that if you click too soon some functional pieces of the page won't load. After the page is all the way loaded, then try clicking "Reply" or "Compose a PM", etc.

 

I agree with you that it's hard to claim that the new site has "functional enhancements" if they don't work optimally, or at all on your computer browser. We take responsibility for the slower load times in IE6, but the only issue I can sometimes replicate in our development environments for IE6 are slower load times, not total lock out of functionality. We are looking for ways to preferentially load the various functional elements of the page and otherwise improve the IE6 experience, but the only short term fix I can offer at the moment is to upgrade your browser to Firefox. It is kept up to date at all times and should work beautifully with all sites, including the new EpicSki.

 

Thanks Bill,

 

dan

 

 

 

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Bill - I apologize. We test incessantly to ensure that the site works in all major browsers, and IE6 most assuredly qualifies. Looking at our access logs, we have had thousands of visitors on IE6 in the past few days.

 

Are you using a dial-up connection? The only other thing I can think of is that if the pages are loading slowly, and if you click before they've finished loading, the loading stops and so some of the buttons won't work. This issue is unique to IE6, but should happen very infrequently, if at all.

 

Thanks Bill,

 

dan

 

 

 

Bill  wrote:

> Dan,

>

 

> I'm not willing to change browsers at this point. Everything else I do

> online is working fine and I am happy with IE 6. It seems to me, and

> again I know virtually nothing about this stuff, that if EPIC 2.0 is

> the only thing that I am having trouble with that something in this

> new system needs to be more forgiving to allow it to work as all my

> other forums do. Anything else I can check or tell you more about?

>

 

> Bill

 


Edited by Cirquerider - Fri, 06 Feb 09 01:38:43 GMT
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post #25 of 59
2/5/09 at 6:51pm
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It does use JavaScript for a lot of the functions, but it is QAd on IE6 first. Want to PM Dan and allow him to ask you some specific questions about what might be going on?

 

Sure, I'll loop with him and also reply to your PM tomorrow between meetings.  I don't need to be able to use IE 6 since I prefer using FireFox for this portal, but would love to help you solve the mystery for those that do need to use IE 6.


Edited by crgildart - Fri, 06 Feb 09 02:52:26 GMT
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post #26 of 59
2/5/09 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post

I don't think it's fair to expect modern website features to support ancient browsers like IE6.  And to be honest, IE in general is horrible at supporting web standards.  It's possible for a site to be 100% compliant with open web standards and still not render correctly in IE.  

 

Equal bitching should be directed at Microsoft in this case.

 

 

So Epicski is "cutting edge"! The first website that doesn't work on Rossi Smash's browser of choice. I'm guessing that RS's OS doesn't allow him to update IE. This is a guy who has more pairs of skis than most of us will own in our lifetimes and probably nothing made in the last 25 years. He represents the soul of skiing and the new Epicski represents the opposite. Worst website ever.

Wow. That's a bit over the top, ain't it? Yeah, it is.

 

EDIT: The issue isn't IE6, it turns out. The site is actually QAd with IE6 (along with other browsers). We'd like to help Rossi Smash and the dev team has been trying, but it's not clear what the issue actually is.


Edited by ssh - Fri, 06 Feb 09 00:48:15 GMT

 

Yeah well it doesn't work on my mobile device either. Weak sauce.

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post #27 of 59
2/5/09 at 9:56pm

No this sight is not just HTML.
Yes this sight now uses JavaScript.


IE6 is outdated, and will not perform all the newer commands that are comming out. As we evolve on the internet, code gets better and more complex, we need to update.
 

I have never heard of IE7 not working with win2k. This baffles me. I no longer have a 2k machine to test this on though.

Vista works fine, people just don't accept change very well.

FireFox is a better browser then IE. You should upgrade and enjoy the experience of browsing with no adds when you install add ons such as add block plus. When you are on dial up, add block plus helps out so much. I also use flash disable, which makes flash not open unless i click on them, which saves on load times as well, or annoying flash adds if add block pluss misses them.

IE6 isnt' a bad browser, neither is IE7, but they are insecure browsers, you should upgrade. FireFox is a better choice. I faught the change for a long time.

If you want an alternative to FireFox, then use Google Chrome.

 

What is wrong with vintage Ski's and Vintage computers?

 

There has been discussions on mobile devices already, I have helped a few users with it.
Most Pocket browsers do not handle JavaScript very well. Even mine, which functions just like this page I'm using. I could use this page just fine, but the pop up box for submiting posts is what screws me up, cause it wants to keep recentering things, and the bug in opera that opens the keyboard even though i have a full keyboard will start fighting with who has control of whats moving where.

Changes are occuring, give dan and the others some time.

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post #28 of 59
2/5/09 at 9:59pm
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 The issue isn't IE6, it turns out. The site is actually QAd with IE6 (along with other browsers). We'd like to help Rossi Smash and the dev team has been trying, but it's not clear what the issue actually is.


Edited by ssh - Fri, 06 Feb 09 00:48:15 GMT

 

OK, so why won't my work machine XP wih IE 6 reply to posts either but I can do fine running firefox from the same machine?  I work for the largest networking infrastructure company in the world and all their web based tools and portals work fine on IE 6, pop ups and all.  But this platform does not.  Hummmm.....

 

I'm even thinking that it DID work on that machine with IE 6 Monday but now does not.  Can't be certain of that, but I am certain that it did not work with IE 6 today.


Edited by crgildart - Fri, 06 Feb 09 01:06:42 GMT

 

If they are one of the largest network structures, they woudln't have you on XP machines running IE6.... Especially because it is an insecure browser, and its outdated.

Yes, it wont work. As I explained in my post before this. It doesn't understand the code, how is it supposto work?

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post #29 of 59
2/5/09 at 10:21pm
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IE6 is outdated, and will not perform all the newer commands that are comming out. As we evolve on the internet, code gets better and more complex, we need to update.
 

I have never heard of IE7 not working with win2k. This baffles me. I no longer have a 2k machine to test this on though.
 

 

if you try to load IE7 on a win2k machine, the install does an OS check and says not supported on Win2k..

 

Vista's support of firewire, some network cards, and many video cards is horrible. VIA chipset support is broken or as close to broken as it can be and still work sometimes. Microsoft claims it's a hardware problem and that I probably have defective hardware. If I pull the hard drive out of my test machine and install different drive with windows XP and even XP Home, the hardware works flawlessly.

 

The problems I have in Vista,

My Sony DV deck does not even connect using the firewire, Vista and any capture software.

It works fine with same hardware and XP and every capture package I've tried including the embedded capture in Adobe premier pro and CS3. Tested with V1 home premium as well.

Tried it on my thinkpad, and vista.. Exact same problem.

Works fine on XP.

The Sony Mini DV PC5 camcorder, connects using vista but in about 5 minutes of trying to capture a video, it disconnects and stops the capture. Or the using the Firewire universal controls will crash the system.

 

This problem is the same regardless of what package I use to try to capture except for Microsoft's own capture software. Then it works about 50 percent of the time.

 

Same configuation with XP hard drive. absolutly no problems.

 

My network connection under vista (all machines I tried it on) will never stay connected for more than 15-20 minutes. Then Vista reports that I only have a limited connection and I must have a router or gateway problem. Reset the computer and it will be fixed for another 15-20 minutes and repeat. Do a "reset the network connection" through windows and now it'll work for several hours, then just stop all at once. I've turned off IP6, turned on IP6, turned off power management, set fixed IP, set dynamic IP, reset the IP stack, reloaded all the drivers, etc.. Problem stays the same. Microsoft's response to my queries, It's a driver or hardware problem.. I've replaced the hardware with an Intel card. The Thinkpad has embedded intel hardware so it's not a no name card.  Take the same hardware (desktop and laptop), with the XP hard drives, they work flawlessly.

 

and don't get me started on video settings under Vista or permissions for users..

 

It's not about change, Vista is a flawed OS with problems. Is it suprising that businesses have been able to get microsoft to put off ending sales of XP how many times now? and that they are still offering to let MFG's offer free or discounted "downgrades" to XP for new computers.

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post #30 of 59
2/5/09 at 10:26pm

Microsoft even released new install CD install packages and licenses just recently after the supposed end of sales for XP with SP 3 and new product codes for the OEM market.

 

 

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