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Epic 2.0-- More loss than gain

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Well it has been out for a while now, and I'd have to say it has been worse than I anticipated in the planning group.

 

It is ugly, the search is poor, the ability to just browse around is awkward.  We have Wiki's.  Would you believe a Wiki here when it can be edited by anyone?  The moderators already had too much work.

 

We went from a cozy bar where you could have a few beers with friends and seek out the advice of those you respected, to a meeting in the local school gym.

 

I had dinner with a bear who is a computer graphics professional.  His one word description---Horrible. 

 

Even something simple like fixing the narrow format, stark white small font issue is not scheduled for improvement.  A whole thread exists on the subject, but it is not a priority.

 

The reviews and Wikis they are focused on will have no value if you don't know who made them.  Meanwhile, all the "features we miss" are still missing.

 

I'm out of here while this start-up internet company Huddler tries to pull it off.  I sure hope they succeed, but in the end, I'll be happy if we break even.

post #2 of 9

agreed Newfy.  It feels like going back to an old mainframe app!

post #3 of 9

Bring back vBulletin!  

post #4 of 9

The bitch'in has hit Huddler from the admin level.  If it doens't change and soon, I'll be surprised.

At least from my perspective what has changed is that we no longer accept that the "experts" can tell us what we want is not good practice. 

 

I'd agree with a return to vB but at best, that would be a roll-back to 1/31.  Lots of stuff works here, we can get by.  The frustration of being in that position when we were told the move was going to add to what we allready had is very aggravating.  The move to this platform was way too quick to even complete the changes recommended by the member advisory group and moderators, let alone all the things since.  Listening, and recognizing these deficiencies as a serious matter is what failed to occur.  Now that we're here, we are stuck with making the best of it, or taking a break until they get better. Many fixes have been made, and more continue to be made.  Appreciation for that is hard to come by when most members don't feel they should have ever given up those features and function.

 

What's best for you?   I always came here because it was fun and I enjoy the other members.  Lately I am quite frustrated and anxious.  I don't have the tools to make this site work.  What's fun about that?


Edited by Cirquerider - Wed, 04 Feb 09 19:37:58 GMT
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post

 

Would you believe a Wiki here when it can be edited by anyone?  The moderators already had too much work.

 

 

Well, yes, and no.   Or, no, and yes maybe?  The whole point of Wikis is so that they can be posted and edited by anybody.  That said, maintaining the integrity, screening and keeping the "good" and removing the "not so good" is a tremendous undertaking.  So much so, that I hear Wikipedia is in some trouble and was begging at the top of all their pages for financial contributions to help them staff their side.  I see that has been taken down today though.  I've seen a fair amount of quality writing on this site, but it is buried amongst the "Chaos" that is also fun to read sometimes, but doesn't have any place in a Wiki.  The bottom line is there's nothing to be gained from having a Wiki site if there isn't the staff (volunteer or otherwise) to maintain the content and do light editing.  Paging Bonni!

 

Oh BTW.. I can't get the spell check to work today.  I need it worse than anyone too!

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We went from a cozy bar where you could have a few beers with friends and seek out the advice of those you respected, to a meeting in the local school gym.

 

The cozy bar analogy is a good one.  The new site strikes me as if our cozy bar decided to add slot machines,  exercise bicycles, a mechanical bull, a merry-go-round, a petting zoo with a trained seal, bungee jumping, basket weaving, and hourly concerts by a marching band playing John Phillip Sousa's greatest hits.  Yeah, the bar is still there, but they only have 3 kinds of beer instead of the 46 they used to have, the chairs are uncomfortable, the lighting is off-putting, and I can't seem to locate my usual mates due to the three ring circus atmosphere.

 

I guess if the regulars keep showing up, I'll keep coming too.  But it seems like the management has lost sight of what made this a great site.  The other cruft may be interesting as a side show, but it's not why I come here. 

 



Edited by Walt - Wed, 04 Feb 09 20:42:31 GMT
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Yes, I'm having issues with it. While in Australia, the speed of loading was horrendous, it was go make coffee type times. Now I'm in the US, it loads "faster" but it's still not optimal.  But the lack of easy browsing to see what's happening is annoying

 

You have to load up whole new pages to go anywhere, the shortcuts are gone, things like threads you are in, and new posts in general are probably somewhere but not easiily findable.

 

stuff may be happening around the place, but I'm missing it. You have to dig and delve and you end up in a small cul de sac, and getting back out of it takes time.

 

I will be controversial and wonder if the changes enable more revenue generation, but certainly the changes don't look very successful for me.

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I'd agree with a return to vB but at best, that would be a roll-back to 1/31. 

That's not a technical constraint - that's a business constraint. If Huddler and the old Epic tech team were able to do a VBB-->Huddler conversion, that means the database schemas for old/new are known to the development team. Which means that it's perfectly possible to code an unload from huddler to a format that can go back into VBB. It just means nobody's willing to admit it's necessary or willing to pay for it.

 

If the Epic Team is truly saying that going back to VBB would mean losing all data since the 1/31 "final VBB" export was cut, then Bob Barnes was misinformed when he told me there's a contingency plan in case 5-employee startup Huddler.com tanks entirely. If that plan exists, then execute it until Huddler is ready for prime time. Export all the 1/31-to-present posts, a new snapshot of current membership data, and load it back into VBB along with the 1/31 VBB backup.

 

If that plan and capability doesn't exist, then EpicSki LLC is in a world of hurt even if all the members start loving the new site. Statements that going back means losing everything after 1/31/2009 really means that EpicSki folds if anything ever happens to Huddler.

 

I'm not a VBB admin and never developed on that platform, but conceptually this type of reverse migration plan is Software Engineering 101. Understanding that this is necessary is Business Management 101.

post #9 of 9

I wonder how much money Huddler paid Epic to swtch to them.

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