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Rossignol Phantom SC 80

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I posted this in a thread on the CX 80, but this is a very different ski and should not be confused with the Phantom SC 80.

Here's the other thread on the CX 80:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/78784/rossignol-cx-80-review

 

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Tog demo'd the CX80 at Aspen Snowmass. IIRC he felt that it lacked something. I hope he weighs in.

 

Actually I demoed the Rossi Phantom SC 80, it's a dark blue/black ski with a tip in the rear though it's not I guess a true twin tip.  It's in their "Freeride" category. I tried it in their what, 176cm  180cm length.

The picture on their website makes it look like you can actually see that detail on the ski, but it's actually printed in black on dark blue/black.  Given that, you'd have to have some sort of truly exceptional eyesight to actually see what it looks like on their website. (I think I spend more time on the looks than on the performance.  That should tell you something)

edit: Ok, here's a picture for you!

 hmmm...didn't come out well. take this how you want but to me it's appropo

http://www.rossignol.com/US/phantom-sc-80_F9274_product_ski-men-skis-freeride.html#

 

I think this is the ski broad described above in post#2, though I'm confused because they don't sound like the same thing.  I suspect his bindings could've been mounted too far back.

The ski is very soft, though "very" depends on your weight.  For me, at 200lbs, it's  very soft.  In fact, had I taken it out of the rack and flexed it, it's doubtful I'd have demoed it.  I was in a hurry though, and was somewhat confusing it with good things I've heard about the CX80 out east.

You're going to have to look up the specs, but I believe it's around 86mm in the waist and somewhere around 16-18m sidecut?  Sorry, but I demoed it from snowmass, skied it at Aspen and well didn't write this stuff down.

Edit: Ok, obviously it's 80mm in the waist,   I looked up the specs:

122/80/109 size 180cm = doesn't say but 185 is 17.2 so yeah 180 is probably 16-16.5.

 

Conditions were packed powder with some tracked out powder.

Skied groomers and moguls mostly.  (What else is at Aspen?)

 

The ski is meant for soft snow I guess, though frankly it did best in long radius turns on the groomers! Yeah, how bizarre is that!  Though it would be foolish to buy it for that. Well, I wouldn't really recommend buying it for anything honestly, if you're near my weight.  Lighter skiers might appreciate it a lot more.

 

I didn't really find the ski "there" much. It pretty much dealt with what it got, but had no character or quality at all.  It was pretty good at absorbing moguls, a quality which had it's place when we made about 7 runs down the FIS lift moguls with no poles.  Certainly it's better than a slalom ski for moguls but that only means it bends a lot easier.  I'll take the slalom ski!

Absorbing moguls is one thing, having some spirit on the way out of the absorption is another.  It had little, which make me declare it "somewhat dead".  Actually, let's just call it "brain dead" since it does function. Beside moguls, it just had no character or spirit at all coming out of a decambered situation.

I could make some sort of bar/girl  story comparison, but I'd just sound terrible and get in trouble!  Let's say this ski is like warm chamomile tea with milk though you've left the mug on the counter for awhile.  If that's your cup, then go for it. (Brits take note!)

 

Oddly, it's performance on the packed, firm powder was much more inspired.  That may be skewed a bit though by the bar being set so low!  I certainly wouldn't recommend it for the east or groomers though.

I wouldn't recommmend at all actually!!


Edited by Tog - Tue, 03 Feb 09 04:00:09 GMT
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

...Well, I wouldn't really recommend buying it for anything honestly, if you're near my weight.  Lighter skiers might appreciate it a lot more.

 

I didn't really find the ski "there" much. It pretty much dealt with what it got, but had no character or quality at all....

 

I wouldn't recommmend at all actually!

Hmm...both Skipress and Skiing had the SC80 as one of their finalist skis.  Though their descriptions didn't sound all that enthusiast (almost like it was getting a consolation prize) and they seemed to echo some of your impressions (i.e., recommended for a light skier, better at groomers, and Skiing listed it as an "Advanced" ski). I thought Rossi was gonna replace their Bandit series with a more livelier batch of skis, though that still could be the case because my impression of the B83 (and I weigh 130lbs.) was that it was beyond dead (which is still livelier than your observed "somewhat dead").

 

OTOH SierraJim's website review gives it more positive kudos stating that "The SC 80 handles that snow just as well as the old B3 did but with more "pop and pizzaz". For a slightly off trail biased 70/30 ski, it doesn’t get much better."  Who knows - at least his review agrees with your groomer-biased observation.  Either way it ain't enough to get me thinking of trying it.

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Thread Starter 

ski-ra,

If you weigh near 130lbs, I think you should give the ski a try! It might be a whole different animal for you since that's near 70lbs difference.  It may still not have the pop but may be lively enough.

 

Just to be clear, "beyond dead" is less lively than "somewhat dead" yes?

 

Yes, I'd say when the magazines list it as an "Advanced" ski it means it's much more forgiving and less lively.  We might call it dead, but not always.  Really the rankings are silly and some skis straddle many categories.

I'd say though that the Phantom SC 80 fits into the intermediate-advanced category pretty well.  It's not in the "ripper" category.  I think they be bored with it.

 

Probably the groomed performance of this ski helped it a lot to reach the finalist  category in Ski Press.  I didn't explore that extensively, but I'll tell you it was a lot of fun making some big carved turns on the way to the FIS lift at Aspen after doing non-stop, pole-less mogul runs.

 


Edited by Tog - Tue, 03 Feb 09 20:03:08 GMT
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

ski-ra,

If you weigh near 130lbs, I think you should give the ski a try! It might be a whole different animal for you since that's near 70lbs difference.  It may still not have the pop but may be lively enough.

 

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Just to be clear, "beyond dead" is less lively than "somewhat dead" yes?

 

Yes, I'd say when the magazines list it as an "Advanced" ski it means it's much more forgiving and less lively.  We might call it dead, but not always....

Edited by Tog - Tue, 03 Feb 09 20:03:08 GMT


Already got new Watea 84's from a demo at the end of last season (love 'em and doubt the SC80s would change my mind).  My intent was more a  comment on what Rossi was supposed to deliver when replacing their Bandit line, and that the jury is still out about whether they came through....

 

Anyway, the "beyond dead" experience of the B83 (which yes means less lively than "somewhat dead") came from my demo last year vs. the W84 and others.  Given my weight I look cynically at both expert and advanced ski reviews (heck - the photo at the beginning of this year's "Skiing" mag review of "Frontside Advanced" shows a skier angulating like Bode). 

 

Examples:

  1. The Nordica Afterburner is listed as "All Mountain Advanced" by Skiing.  Based on my demo (albeit in 170cm, though they weren't making them shorter last year) those skis require both weight and an expert pilot.
  2. The Rossi Bandit X's (a ski I bought without demo'ing several years ago) were very highly regarded as an "Advanced" ski by some mag.  I was lulled into thinking that this meant forgiving enough for a lightweight expert - it was that and much less: they were so torsionally soft that they couldn't hold a carve.

 

Otherwise points well taken....

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