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The gear review section looks more like a store front than a review section to me.

 

Whats up with the categories? How do skis get put into categories? Can a ski be in both powder, free ride, and all mountain?  What does the ranking mean? Why don't the rating factors change bases on what category its in? Who cares about edge grip in  a powder ski? 


Edited by tromano - Tue, 03 Feb 09 01:21:44 GMT
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Hey tromano: Yeah, that review section needs some more work for sure.  But I think that it will get better over time if more people add their (informed) input.

 

I agree that the one-size-fits-all factors should be scrapped.  It's comparing apples to oranges, especially, as you noted, edge hold. 

 

Also, I reviewed the Head iM88, and now I feel as though it's the official review (something I'm just not qualified to write).  I hope some people add to what I said.  That's the point, no?

 

Also also, the ranking system shouldn't be there either.  What's good for me is totally wrong for someone else. 

 

But all that said, I think it could be a nice edition to the site - it's up to us (and isn't that the beauty of the Internet?)  Let's hope it doesn't get hijacked by disingenuous industry hacks...

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ya for instance I wanted to add Scott Punisher but the ski's not there

 

Good idea though to do this - hopefully it catches on

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Thanks for starting this thread. We had a very hard time determining exactly what review criteria to use for each type of ski, etc. because you're right - different types of skis are different and can't really be compared.

 

The category distinctions are a combination of what we found on Backcountry.com (the source for much of the data) and input from mods and admin. You can see them all together (e.g. http://www.epicski.com/products/category/mens-alpine-skis  then scroll down) or you can look just in a single category (e.g. http://www.epicski.com/products/category/mens-all-mountain-skis)

 

But it is very customizable, particularly this early in the installation so if you have criteria that only apply to one type and not others, it's very easy to add. Also, if your gear isn't listed, on any of the category pages, in the top right you should see:

 

 

It should be pretty self-explanatory, but if you need a hand, there is a tutorial here: http://www.epicski.com/wiki/epicski-add-a-new-item-tutorial

 

Guidance is appreciated.

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Dan, I knew I had seen those descriptions some place! Heh.

 

I put up a few reviews just to see how it works. I think it has potential and am waiting to see how things shake out. In some ways its better than this forum, it others worse.

 

One thing I noticed, no sizing info in the reviews. A 170 and a 190 of the same ski are totally different.

 

I think the categories could work as is, but I think its sort of dangerous when you start lumping skis into categories where they might be betwen a number of categories... you could have a K2 PE and review its capabilities as a Allmountain ski or you might have a park guy review them in that aspect, that flexibility is important and a good use of categories I think.

 

Also women reviewing unisex skis would probabbly have a differen take than their male counter parts. And vice versa...

 

One thing I noticed recently was the trend to having photos or video in the reviews. I think thats a good thing and if its not in there maybe should be added.

 

 


Edited by tromano - Tue, 03 Feb 09 02:02:56 GMT
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Why don't the rating factors change bases on what category its in? Who cares about edge grip in  a powder ski? 


 

Thanks for the feedback about rating criteria.  It certainly is customizable, and we appreciate your feedback on it.  I went ahead and took out "Edge grip" as a review factor for powder skis.

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Good points - we've talked about including "Number of Days Skied per year" from your user profile questions and displaying next to your review so people have an idea of who they're reading...maybe we could display gender too.

 

Also, I thought it was worth mentioning that while they look a little bit e-tailerish now, that's not the intention. Those pages are meant to be effective landing pages for new users on the site. We haven't done much tagging (link to tagging tutorial) yet, but in the "What People are Saying" in the middle of those gear and resort pages, we try to link to the best possible content from within the forums and wikis to provide a portal into the site for people coming in to those pages from search engines, etc. As another example, I just copied Bob Peters' trip report into the bottom of the Jackson Hole page: http://www.epicski.com/products/jackson-hole

 

Other people can add to it, add images, etc.

 

We're trying to take some baby steps with this new functionality - get the forums completely stable (and hopefully improved wherever possible) then we can play with some of the new stuff more. Thanks again

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I posted a few reviews, but like tromano, I'm not a professional reviewer, so I do hope others come along.  Also, I needed to add a ski that wasn't listed.

 

I think when we review a ski, there should be a place to indicate what season the ski is from.  For instance, the new Recon is wider I believe, so I made a point of saying which one I was referring to, but that should really be part of the required content.  I also think that dimensions and length would be important. 

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Why don't the rating factors change bases on what category its in? Who cares about edge grip in  a powder ski? 


 

Thanks for the feedback about rating criteria.  It certainly is customizable, and we appreciate your feedback on it.  I went ahead and took out "Edge grip" as a review factor for powder skis.

I have to disagree I care about edge grip on my powder ski - I expect it to ski powder very well but I also want to know how it handles the inevitable groomer on the way back to the locker - not all of us just ski powder from backcountry cabins, helicopters or sleds.


Edited by Andrew R - Tue, 03 Feb 09 14:53:42 GMT
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Why don't the rating factors change bases on what category its in? Who cares about edge grip in  a powder ski? 


 

Thanks for the feedback about rating criteria.  It certainly is customizable, and we appreciate your feedback on it.  I went ahead and took out "Edge grip" as a review factor for powder skis.

I care about edge grip on my powder ski - I expect it to ski powder very well but I also want to know how it handles the inevitable groomer on the way back to the locker - no all of us ski powder from backcountry cabins, helicopters or sleds

 

Of course you're right; edges matter (at varying levels) on all skis.  The question is, edge grip compared to WHAT?  Compared to race skis, a reverse-camber 120mm-waisted dedicated powder ski has the edge grip of a soggy noodle.  But the DP Pro has great edge grip compared to the Pontoon (but not compared to a slalom ski).  So how should I be rating these things?

 

 

 

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