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HeelPusher the snowboarder

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
My buddy HeelPusher was on his snowboard yesterday and I followed behind him (literally, two feet behind him, in his tracks) at the Beav. It was fun fun fun!

HeelPusher makes the salient point about snowboarding - cross training (and I know a little about that).

So for the first time ever, I'm considering learning snowboarding...I mean, why not?

Maybe HH has a book I can buy...
post #2 of 20
SCSA snowboarding. : That's a switchy.
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

I'm telling ya. Being a switch hitter is groovy.
post #4 of 20
I bought a snowboard this year and have been on it maybe 5-6 times. It is great fun, provides a new snow sliding challenge, and the fluid, flowing feeling of snowboarding is a nice complement to skiing. The few people I've talked to who do both proficiently feel it improves the other activity. I think I'm learning more about weight transfer and looking ahead into my turns by snowboarding. I plan to focus on snowboarding for the rest of the season here in the Pac NW. Based on my very limited snowboarding experience, at this point I see myself skiing close to 75% of the time, snowboarding the remainder.
post #5 of 20
I've been snowboarding off and on for a few years. I don't think it's helped my skiing, and it's hard to choose to do it because I ski all right and snowboard badly.

However, I will stay with it and improve in it--just 'cause I like it. It's fun.

Also I find some interesting transformations taking place. Writer Dave Berry notes, and I confirm, that ones pants actually get baggier as one rides and the crotch drops to the knees. I also notice that I begin to speak the language of Dude almost immediately as I tie on my boots.

Also, snowboarding is wonderfully humbling.
post #6 of 20
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCSA:

I'm telling ya. Being a switch hitter is groovy.

Thanks for sharing that with us SCSA. Update from Mt.B-167"base,8"new@19degrees&snowing.They'll be some good spring skiing. :
post #7 of 20
I snowboard now and then, in soft snow I enjoy it (though still not quite as much as skiing in it).

I'll tell you though, the AASI clinic I went to was disturbing . . . pretty much no emphasis on teaching, communication, professionalism or knowledge. It was all about riding.

Apparently the exams are this way too. I guess that will change as the sport and AASI mature, but based on what I saw I will be telling our instructors they should do it for working on their riding - but as an instructor I can't see the benefit.
post #8 of 20

You want to really improve your skiing and feel like a beginner all over again? I’ve snowboarded before last time was about 6 years ago. I still have the board. But this is the way; telemarking. You want to increase your balance? Unlock your heels. I have a tele set up and go out when I can. I still make my $$ by teaching alpine so I don’t get to tele as much as I would like. I love telemarking in the soft squishy snow. I’m thinking of getting certified in teaching telemarking.

post #9 of 20
Yo SCSA, I've got some Tele-gear at the house. We'll fix you up Bender(Rider slang). When you fall you'll look like a broken stick man.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
I'm with weems,

I just think it'd be fun, not looking at it as a true, cross training method.

Like weems says, a few times a year, or when I'm skiing with slower folks.

Cheers folks,
post #11 of 20
Hey Todd,
Where did you take your AASI event?
post #12 of 20
Todd. I took my AASI Level 1 last season, and found it way different than you describe. I thought the three examiners were professional, fun, and balanced. We did a lot on teaching and a lot on riding. I learned a bunch and had a great time. And beat the crap out of myself during the riding between the testing.

Everybody in my group was like a Level 3 rider and I am really barely at the AASI Level 1. So after the test, the examiner said does anybody want to go do a chute? And then she looked at me to make sure that I felt that I had permission to back out. And I said, "Hey sure. I don't mind either failure or pain." (I got both.)

Anyway, the exam and the training were great, and I'm proud of that group.
post #13 of 20
Glad to hear its not that way everywhere!

At ours a couple of kids showed up quite late both days (like an hour), had pretty negative nasty attitudes, arguing with the examiner even, and hell . . . 1/2 of them were getting stoned at lunchtime each day! But the examiner didn't seem to care at all.

We were immediately on black terrain the morning of the first day. We went into the half-pipe and terrain parks.

Questions were asked, but nobody needed to have the right answer -- which is good because nobody did most of the time! The teaching segments were really stunningly bad in a couple of instructors cases, the rest of the group simply not understanding what they were even getting at.

It was very clear that all that mattered was the riding. I'm not a good rider at all, heck it was only about my 10th time on a board. So I didn't expect that I'd have an easy time keeping up with everybody there, but I did expect there to also be a lot more emphasis on communication, group handling, biomechanics, teaching and etc. It was pretty different from any PSIA clinics and exams I've been part of or even heard about!
post #14 of 20
One time at Stowe, I was in a ski class, and a snowboard instructor was cuing his student from uphill, having her look UP the fall line. When she crashed into me, I said "watch it!"

Her instructor came up to me in front of the ski class and said "Excuse me, she's learning too!" :

Never returned to Stowe after that!

I told that story to a guy who's a trainer at Sunday River, and he commented that one of the hardest things was explaining to the snowboard instructors that their students also have to follow the skiers responsibility code.

Just thought of something. Could it be that since it says SKIERS responsibility code, boarders don't feel they have to follow it?

It may be an east/west thing, though. At keystone and Whistler, boarders are pretty decent.
post #15 of 20
Heh! Its been changed now most places to "Our Responsiblity Code" -- but this assumes the ability to read! [img]smile.gif[/img]

At that snowboard event there was actually a bunch of complaining from a couple of instructors about all the "old words invented by skiers that we still use". I said "oh, yeah - better get rid of all those words skiers invented. Like chairlift, grooming, p-tex, sidecut, binding, carve, trailmap, moguls, powder and etc" . . .
post #16 of 20
Hey Todd,
That's too bad about your experience. I'm wondering if you shared your thoughts/concerns with the office in Albany. Or even better, have you ever talked to Brain? And if you ever get back this way, try our product in RM and let us know how it compares. Glad to hear you had a good time at your Cert 1 Weems. I am starting to understand what you have done for the ski industry.
post #17 of 20
I'm getting a lot of folks here wanting me to write up some feedback about it. The eastern division seems more political by far than RM, so I might do it anonymously!
post #18 of 20

I'm proficient at both, although I refer to myself as a "bi-glider" as opposed to a switch hitter , and I'll concur with the others. I don't feel either sport is enhanced by the other but damn it sure is fun on a board when there's fresh snow or spring glop to fly through, not to mention much less wear and tear on the lower body. If this weekends weather pans out as predicted I'll probably be close to a 50/50 ratio on board to ski's this season, just the way I like it.

I do little if any packed powder, skier packed, or firm pack riding and I'm on a 170 cm board, great for powder and easy to find as most people these days on are shorter 155-162 boards for tricks.

Try it you'll like it!
post #19 of 20

I concur with all the "bi-gliders" out there, try it sometime. You may just like it!

I don't ride on hard snow because I don't feel confident on that surface. We have not had a powder day in the short time I have been boarding so I have no thoughts on that.

But on warm days when the local conditions turn to mush and other soft snow days, riding is a blast and defininately more fun than fighting the conditions on ski's.

Confidence and experience is key. As is taking a few lessons at the start.

Don't try a board without competent instruction. Not a buddy, a full fledged AASI level 1, 2, 3 certified instructor! You won't regret it.

post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

Yeah, all this anti-snowboard stuff is kinda silly, don't cha think?

My buddy HeelPusher has a blast on his and I had a blast following him.

And yes, the first thing I'll do is find me the HH of snowboarding so to start off right....heel?

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