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blizzard iq kreitler pro too stiff too straight

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Just got my new blizzard skied them two days.

first day two feet of powder with a crust.

second day the very next day. 8 inches of light powder on top

the result both days is the ski wanted to dive. tips too short and skis not flexible enough to stay on top.

the hill- Powder King in northern bc. lots of snow not much steep

post #2 of 12

It might just be possible that you, your hill, (or both) are not well suited  to a true "pro model" ski.

 

SJ

post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

well i'm normally suited to a pro model ski. but ya the hill definatly isn't. need something with a rocker or a softer tip to keep the tips out. there not bad going straight.

 

i was replacing my nordica beast ltd 188cm. they were great. but not stiff enough for high speed crud. great powder ski. but probably too much sidecut for crusty hard to ski fresh snow.

i'll be selling these, and looking for something different.

maybe stick to nordica and try the super blowers.

post #4 of 12

Which other pro model skis have you tested and found suitable?

 

SJ

post #5 of 12

My impression of these skis, based on other reviews, my own experience with other Blizzard skis, and Blizzard company statements, is that they're supposed to be stiff and straight because you're supposed to hauling a** on them down seriously steep deep terrain. Am I missing something here?  

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

My impression of these skis, based on other reviews, my own experience with other Blizzard skis, and Blizzard company statements, is that they're supposed to be stiff and straight because you're supposed to hauling a** on them down seriously steep deep terrain................. Am I missing something here?  

 

No

 

SJ

post #7 of 12

Dang dude, those are some burly looking skis.

Maybe adjust the bindings back a bit and or adjust your stance.

With those dimensions and at 191 I would think they rock the pow.

If no go, try the 191 Movement Goliaths or for just pow, I love my 195 Praxis Powders.

I have both of these skis and love them in the pow.

post #8 of 12
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i have not been on new pro model skis for a while now. i have some of the original k2 morrison pro's 193 cm handle them fine everywhere. Ski lots of 190 and longer race skis. what I didn't realise is a race type powder ski that was this wide. would have no ability to keep the tips out of the pow. at anything less than mach three speeds. They seem to have no ability to surf on top of the bad snow like my much narrower nordica beast. they just aren't the WOW ski for powder like i thought would be. i guess I should have went rocker or something else. They have no speed limit unlike the nordica's. which is what i was looking for.

 

What I have learned here is width doesn't make up for the short falls, of a design that wasn't really designed to make skiing powder easy. i used to think that soft flexing skis were for wussies. And that real men skied on something stiff as a 2x4. But i guess soft skis have their place.

post #9 of 12
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What I have learned here is width doesn't make up for the short falls, of a design that wasn't really designed to make skiing powder easy. i used to think that soft flexing skis were for wussies. And that real men skied on something stiff as a 2x4. But i guess soft skis have their place.

 

That is a very good lesson and well learned. Real pro model skis are designed for the guys you see in the movies, skiing the conditions that you see in the movies. The softer and easier going wide skis make powder skiing easier without needing 3K' of vert and 40+mph speeds to get 'em turning.

 

There are always tradeoffs no matter what you do so you just have to prioritize. As you've discovered, the planks are stable as can be but are tough to turn. Softer or rockered (or both) will be very easy to turn in the deep stuff but will make sacrifices in stability in some conditions. Skis in the middle of that spectrum will be.......welllll.....in the middle (ie) less stable than the planks, less turny than the floaties. Given that you say you want a little of both, the middle ground might be the place for you to be.

 

As a compromise position, you might consider a wide ski that is flat cambered. Two that are readily available in most ski shops are the Volkl Katana and the Dynastar Huge Trouble. I've skied both and own the HT. Both skis are stable enough for anyone short of a superhero and they both float nicely in the deep stuff (even if you don't have the steeps to go with it) If you think that maybe you don't want anything quite that wide, then the Ficher Watea 101 or Dynastar Legend Pro ('09) are good choices in the medium-med/stiff flex range.

 

SJ

post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by energyrail View Post

i have not been on new pro model skis for a while now. i have some of the original k2 morrison pro's 193 cm handle them fine everywhere. Ski lots of 190 and longer race skis. what I didn't realise is a race type powder ski that was this wide. would have no ability to keep the tips out of the pow. at anything less than mach three speeds. They seem to have no ability to surf on top of the bad snow like my much narrower nordica beast. they just aren't the WOW ski for powder like i thought would be. i guess I should have went rocker or something else. They have no speed limit unlike the nordica's. which is what i was looking for.

 

What I have learned here is width doesn't make up for the short falls, of a design that wasn't really designed to make skiing powder easy. i used to think that soft flexing skis were for wussies. And that real men skied on something stiff as a 2x4. But i guess soft skis have their place.

 

 

you can have your cake and eat it to with something like the Atomic Thug.

 

stiff mid section but a soft tip and tail make it a great ski for light weights skiing normal hills and terrain. its as 'pro' model as i would want with out having access to a heli.

 

i skied the Zeus(same ski and the kent pro)and thought it was fun but not soft enough to have as everyday powder ski even at snowbird. Great Scott, Baldy and LC bowl were fun but as soon as I got into the Gad 2 trees it was tip dive and hard to ski. which considering i spend about 50 percent of my time on powder days skiing tight tree line meant that I went with 192 thug over something like the blizzard.

 

other ski wortt checking out are the 192 bros(softer and easier to ski than the blizzards), 187 XXL, and the new 195 Mothership.

 

 

 

 

post #11 of 12

some skis work really well in the shop. Talking about them and handling them makes a person seem to be good, or tough, or fast.

 

Out on the mountain, it gets real, and with the skis not even visible, you will find that you "....just want to have fu-un!"

 

Even 4 or 5 years ago, Blizzard was making a wide ski that was so stiff that almost no one could coax them to perform dynamically (not a static 2X4), and the Kreitler Pro may be an extension of that model line. (such skis are often available used; want to speculate why that is?) Like Sierra Jim said, 40+ mph, and how often do we ski that way?

 

(note: pro skiers putting enormous energy into the skis, don't give a shit if the tips dive; they will just drive through whatever terrain and snow they encounter.)

 

skis should have a force rating, , as in how much force is required to flex the ski into a turning configuration, force being a function of skier weight, skier strength, skier speed, skier arc radius (g-forces)


Edited by davluri - Thu, 05 Feb 09 18:24:18 GMT
post #12 of 12

I like that "Force Rating" concept.

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