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I hear that screwdrivers suck at driving nails too.

 

SJ

 

Let me introduce you to the art of hammering nails with a screwdriver then!

post #32 of 58

 

This is why you dont use SL skis in powder

No, that is why HE shouldn't use SL skis in powder

post #33 of 58

Wallowing in powder and constanstly trying to find balance is something I can do but its just not fun.

The funny thing about this comment is that for most powder skiers, those mag shots of some guy up to his goggles in pow (and on pontoons or something similar) are porn. What you seem to be saying is that you prefer to ski smooth groomed, only it happens to be a foot of fresh. 

post #34 of 58
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

because they suck

 

 

 

If the last three seconds had been edited off this video, would you have felt that that the skis sucked?

 

It looked like pretty nice skiing of mild powder in fair-sized bumps to me.

 

I guess no one ever falls on fat skis?


Edited by Bob Peters - Tue, 03 Feb 09 05:16:26 GMT
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I just noticed that this thread was turned into wiki. Weak.

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I just noticed that this thread was turned into wiki. Weak.

Yeah that was my fault.  Wanted to see how that feature worked.  Turns out I can't delete wiki articles I create.  Or at least I don't know how.

 

Apparently you can embed videos in the wiki pages...which is very nice.

post #37 of 58
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I just noticed that this thread was turned into wiki. Weak.

 

I don't think so.  

 

a) the content can be edited to be less in your face. 

b) the theme recurrs constantly 'an expert should be able to ski powder on SL skis'

c) it anchors technical links that relate to this very issue

 

 

post #38 of 58
Thread Starter 

 

yes because its causing him to bank and rotate his upper body though the turn as well. most likely because his skis are 'stuck' in the snow.

 

 

post #39 of 58
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yes because its causing him to bank and rotate his upper body though the turn as well. most likely because his skis are 'stuck' in the snow.

 

 

 

I don't think the skis were causing him to bank and rotate his upper body through the turn. That's why he is getting technique advice in the other thread. We can post up a million videos of people on fat skis and I'm quite sure that you will find banking and rotation in so e of them.

 

I still say it's good skiing. As an aside I'll also say that I go skiing over in the Arlberg from time to time and I have never brought (and would never bring) a slalom ski with me. The last few times I have only brought my Gotamas. If all I had though was a pair of Blizzard

SLs I wouldn't restrict myself to the groomers though.

post #40 of 58
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Well I am not L3 yet still have to do teaching(mostly likely at hunter in early march epic).

 

Josh,

Congrats on passing your L-III skiing!  I'm glad you hung in there, after the bad taste you had last season.

 

I think the point of this thread has nothing to do with the quality of TDK6's skiing, very nice BTW.  It is more about the right tool for the job.  I presently have numerous skis in my quiver.  I could probably survive all conditions on any of them, but I have way more fun when I can match the ski to the conditions.  Most folks don't have the luxury of a large quiver, to them I would suggest a mid-fat all mountain ski if you are going to ski a variety of conditions.

JF

 

 

 

 


 

post #41 of 58
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and my point is who cares?

 

alot of the guys9and gals) that are good just ski on ski that sucks for that day, just because they get off by showing people how good they are.


 

I care.  I like to know I can be stuck with just one pair of skis and still have fun.  Has absolutely nothing to do with what people think.

 

One of the best powder days I had was a patrol day I showed up with slalom skis and ended up working a freeski competition on a trail which had been closed to preserve the powder.

 

I saw a post from someone who said if he had to ski Jackson Hole on a ski less than some width he'd rather not even go.  That is sad.  Stop poisoning people's brains by telling them they can't have fun on anything but the latest and greatest gear.


Edited by newfydog - Tue, 03 Feb 09 15:49:33 GMT
post #42 of 58

I'm heading to Vail in two weeks and hate the thought, that the only skis I own right now are two pairs of slalom skis *frowns*.  I'd much rather take a mid fat but I can't afford them.  Along with doing the sheer numbers of turns on a large western groomed run that a slalom demands, I love glades and powder and and hitting them is going  to have me weak.  I have spent the last 4 weeks upping my daily traompoline workout hoping it will somehow offset the reality of what my legs will feel like at the end of day one and day two of slalom skis in Vail, Co.  I am however, still going to have a great time and groan silently when my muscles ache.

 

If we get a big dump, I'm deffinitely going to demo some skis.  I have the choice to taking my 170 Volant Gravity 68's/04's((tips are pretty dead), or my 158 Dynamic Contact ST Slalom/06's (11m R).  I can't remember the side cut specs on the Volant and it's not marked but, if my memory serves me at all, they have a slightly larger turning radius of around 15m.  I'm considering taking the old skis.  But I really love the my shorter one on the shorter icier groomers out here, expecially for the bumps and glades here.  The contacts are the first ski I bought that was the recommended size for my weight and i'm enjoying playing with the shorter ski, though, still not sure that next time I won't add 5 cm to the recommended..

post #43 of 58

You mean Dynastar, right? Bring the Dynastars.

 

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158 Dynamic Contact ST Slalom/06's (11m R).

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It wasn't that long ago, I used to ski anything on 6-Stars of Dynastar 4x4 Powercarves.  I acknowledge the superiority of wider skis for powder, but, if you have been skiing more than 10 years, those tools didn't exist, and were rare five years ago. I laugh about these shots today, but had fun when I was skiing.

 

 

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You mean Dynastar, right? Bring the Dynastars.

 

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158 Dynamic Contact ST Slalom/06's (11m R).

rofl.  Yea i mean Dynastars lol.  I think i just typed Dynamic cause I've been looking. Thanks.

 

Also, I have been skiing a long time Cirque and know what you mean.  I did my CSIA 2's in 1995 and taught many years after that, and I'll make out on the slaloms, even my 65mm waisted Dynastars but....It would be kinder not to have to turn that aggressive on the long runs and have a little more float if I do hit powder.  I think. As I said, I'll still have a great time, I figure I'll just be alot more tired at the end of the day then guy beside me on a wider, longer, larger turn radius ski. 

 

Though wider skis didn't exist then, when I did go heli skiing we used their skis, which even then, were wider then the average groomer ski, much stiffer and longer for float.  (Though i was much younger then and the guide really had to convince me that I didn't want to go in my Fischer RC World cups).


Edited by lady_Salina - Tue, 03 Feb 09 16:54:41 GMT
post #46 of 58

Yes SL skis suck in deep soft snow. Here I am struggling in true gaper fashion,my bad.

 

 

post #47 of 58
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Yes SL skis suck in deep soft snow. Here I am struggling in true gaper fashion,my bad.

 

 


 

I dunno, slider---you could be rockin some 920 bro brah ak swallow head stiff soft din 98 doohickies with a waist 9 miles wide for all we can tell from this pic!

 

too bad they sank on ya!

post #48 of 58

Anybody remember when Shane McConkey strapped a pair of car bumpers to his feet for that Cliff Bar ad? My point is that if you actually know how to ski, it's not gonna matter what's on your feet in the Grand Sceme Of Things. If all I had was a pair of stubby skinny SL skis it would not prevent me from skiing powder. But since I ski powder a whole lot and haven't skied a groomer yet this season (and hopefull won't), I chose fat skis. Only a masochist or somebody getting paid by an energy bar company purposely chooses the wrong tool for the job.

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and my point is who cares?

 

alot of the guys9and gals) that are good just ski on ski that sucks for that day, just because they get off by showing people how good they are.


 

I care.  I like to know I can be stuck with just one pair of skis and still have fun.  Has absolutely nothing to do with what people think.

 

One of the best powder days I had was a patrol day I showed up with slalom skis and ended up working a freeski competition on a trail which had been closed to preserve the powder.

 

I saw a post from someone who said if he had to ski Jackson Hole on a ski less than some width he'd rather not even go.  That is sad.  Stop poisoning people's brains by telling them they can't have fun on anything but the latest and greatest gear.


Edited by newfydog - Tue, 03 Feb 09 15:49:33 GMT

Good point. I remember many years back there was a young arrogant bastard that said shaped skis were a god sent gift to mankind and now finally skiing could be fun. Kind of like erasing 7000y of modern skiing history as BS. I wonder what people will think of shaped skis in 7000 years?
 

post #50 of 58
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 Kind of like erasing 7000y of modern skiing history as BS. I wonder what people will think of shaped skis in 7000 years?
 


 

Modern skiing has been going on for 7000 years? That doesn't sound very modern to me.

 

Nobody's gonna be skiing 7000 years from now. Our Cat Overlords won't allow it.

post #51 of 58

I wonder why it took sooooo long to make shaped skis?

 

post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
 

...to each his own though, I like to ski to have fun. Wallowing in powder and constanstly trying to find balance is something I can do but its just not fun.

Why ski powder if not for the wallowing and seeking balance? Fun sucks.


Edited by telerod15 - Wed, 04 Feb 09 02:14:53 GMT
post #53 of 58
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I wonder why it took sooooo long to make shaped skis?

 

 

'coz it took 6900 years to make shaped lifts?

post #54 of 58
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 I acknowledge the superiority of wider skis for powder, but, if you have been skiing more than 10 years, those tools didn't exist, and were rare five years ago.


I had 85mm skis with AT bindings, in the Northeast, in the mid 90's...and they were surplus decades old then.  "Powder skis" at 90+ have been around since at least the early 90's...I know because my local ski shop used to demo them and I used to stare longingly at them as a kid.  Thinking back, I think '01 was the last time they were "rare".  By the time 6 stars were around, even my friends in the east were all rocking 80-90mm skis on the groomers.  To be fair, lots of people thought that was crazy, but they look a bit silly now.

post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

Yes SL skis suck in deep soft snow. Here I am struggling in true gaper fashion,my bad.

 

 

 

There are two sides to this story.  Remember this?

 

post #56 of 58

That was Tyrone Shoelaces,after a 720 mute grab linchon can't you tell?

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2x post


Edited by slider - Fri, 06 Feb 09 02:02:40 GMT
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What was wrong with tdk6's face plant? Looked pretty good to me.

 

Ok, if we were to criticize it, I'd say:

"Dude, what's up with the hesitation there? Go with the flow, it's just powder. Resisting just caused you problems and you lost one leg there and some serious style points. Next time when you know it's going to happen, drive the tips to the earth's core and bail headfirst into the pow.  That way maybe you'll double eject and launch doing a human canonball face plant. This will cause a tremendous poofhh of snow to spray which looks good especially with backlighting.  Alternatively you might get lucky and actually do a forward roll/flip from which you could keep skiing.  That type of maneuver will probably get you a free beer later.  Either way it's better than doing that lame duck piroette face plant!"

 

So, ok, the face plant needs some work but the skiing looks good!

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