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Got hurt...shoulder.

post #1 of 25
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Unreal....in spite of all the precautions I take to prevent injury I messed my self up pretty good today....and I was not in VT and I was not on a DBD.  

 

Took my first run down a NASTAR course for the season.   From what I could see the course looked smooth and in good shape, I intended to beat the pace setter.  It was very warm today and the snow was quite soft, reached 50*.  

 

Blasted down the track, hit an ice patch (who would've thought there would be ice!!!!!!)  that threw me off balance, recovered and then as I was hard on the edges pop....and smash.   Apparently I popped out of my bindings (so the guy at the start hut said) and ended up landing on my right elbow....now I can barely move my right arm.   I pray that I didn't tear anything and that its just a sprain, but man is it painful when I try to move it in certain directions.   I cant lift my arm in one direction at all. Sucks, really sucks.   Without this shoulder I cant even do any good starts...which means no ASRA GS next weekend.....but in light of the pain I am in that might be the least of my worries.   Oh BTW I was on my oldest HEADS not my race skis and am not ashamed to reveal that the mountain (speed bump) I was on was Tuxedo Ridge...yeah, sad I know.

 

So far I see no bruising, but when I tried to open the door with that arm it felt like my arm was going to pop out of the socket....and it hurt like hell. 

 

You can get hurt anywhere.

 



 



Edited by Richie-Rich - Mon, 02 Feb 09 02:07:09 GMT
post #2 of 25

I highly recommend a course of Fin Du Monde.  Take 4 and PM me in the morning.  Don't feel bad; I broke my wrist with an errant pole plant a couple of years ago at Chicopee, running a couse after they had taken the gates out, about 250 ft of vertical.

Edit: My standard procedure for any injury: three days complete rest then re-evaluation.


Edited by Ghost - Mon, 02 Feb 09 01:29:41 GMT
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Oh forgot to add the icing on the cake.....I kept skiing after my injury (but stopped racing) and while trying to give some pointers to my brother in law to-be I was looking up the hill to see if he was doing what I told him, as I planted my pole my ski ran over it sending me flying through the air and landing on......yes, you guessed it the same arm/shoulder....that was the end of my day....lots and lots of pain.

 

2 Scotches so far....might have to bust out the V's.


Edited by Richie-Rich - Mon, 02 Feb 09 01:33:34 GMT
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 That doesn't sound good. Get it checked in the morning. I waited three of four days for my shoulder to get better before I went to the doctor and I believe that is why my collarbone is still in two pieces five years later. If you need to be in a sling, you want to know it sooner than later. Get well soon!

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 That doesn't sound good. Get it checked in the morning. I waited three of four days for my shoulder to get better before I went to the doctor and I believe that is why my collarbone is still in two pieces five years later. If you need to be in a sling, you want to know it sooner than later. Get well soon!

It is really amazing that you didn't get your collar bone to set.  How did you manage that.  It's got to be the most self-healing bone.  Mine eventually did, though I still remember the click, click, click, as I was running the day after I broke it.

BTW, my collar bone has a very noticeable bump in it.

post #6 of 25

Sorry to hear bout this RR.  Rest up and get it taken care of.  You might be able to heal up in time to hit the gig at Blue Knob.

 

Gotta ask, did your GF's brother laugh?

 

I saw a pretty bad wreck yesterday from the chairlift.  The Wintergreen race team was slipping the hill after race practice and one of the coaches was skiing down to help.  He didn't have any poles so  I assume he was coming down to help carry some gear and rapidgates.  He was really flying and carving huge arcs, really looking good.  Right as he went under my chair I heard a CRUNCH!  I turned my head to see a helmet in front of a white cloud like a comet go tumbling in to the woods and smack some rocks  I hollered at a patrol that was headed down that someone went in the woods.  The guy was down for about 15 minutes before they let him sit up.  They taped his left arm to his torso before strapping him to the backboard and putting him on the toboggan. 

 

Anyway RR, keep us posted on your prognosis.  You will certainly need some Naproxin or something tomorrow morning just to get going. 

post #7 of 25

I don't know, just my luck I guess. Maybe because I rode my bicycle to the clinic four days after the event and could lift my arm above my head without any severe pain, the doctor thought I was a healthy guy. He did not offer me a sling. He told me not to go back to work for two weeks. The two parts were a little too far apart to find each other? Or I didn't immobilize sufficiently? I assume both were factors in the non-healing.

 

Ritchie's sounds more like a separation or AC joint or rotator cuff problem. I don't think I have experience with such injury although I'm having some similar symptoms. I don't know if I've damaged something else or complications from the old  fracture.

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 Apparently I popped out of my bindings (so the guy at the start hut said) and ended up landing on my right elbow....now I can barely move my right arm.   I pray that I didn't tear anything and that its just a sprain, but man is it painful when I try to move it in certain directions.   I cant lift my arm in one direction at all.

 

So far I see no bruising, but when I tried to open the door with that arm it felt like my arm was going to pop out of the socket....and it hurt like hell. 

 

Edited by Richie-Rich - Mon, 02 Feb 09 02:07:09 GMT

 

Sounds word-for-word from the time I described my first dislocation. (Is it sharp/paralyzing pain when you try to move it in certain directions?)

 

Obviously I don't know if you blew the ligaments... but if you did, and you do it again, you'll very likely enter our world of downward spirals for life. 

 

Dislocated shoulders are the absolute injury you do NOT want to have two of. The difference between 2 dislocations and 20 is pretty much semantics. The difference between 1 and 2 is surgery.

 

(In other words, you either blow it once, or several times and get surgery. There is no in-between.)

 

post #9 of 25

Don't let Samurai scare you.  I once had a little mishap with a motorcycle and crushed the glenoid in my right shoulder into so many pieces they decided the operation would do more harm than good (and broke the collar bone and lower shoulder blade to boot), and just gave me a sling.  I didn't even realize the other shoulder had been dislocated until I tried to reach above my head.  Prior to this I once ate a sidekick that dislocated my right shoulder (I was more concerned about the glancing blow bouncing off my kneck at the time and just switched tactics in the fight when I noticed that my punches hurt me more than my oponent, but later noticed that I couldn't lift my arm when I was in the shower), and it all healed well (except for the lop-sidedness).

post #10 of 25

RR,

Two weeks ago, I fell and dislocated my shoulder. Dislocation means that the ball and socket joint is pulled apart. In my case, the patrol diagnosed the injury and the medical team at Jackson Hole Clinic had to put it back in place. There was no way I could ski after the dislocation and I could not move my upper arm.

 

You may have a separated shoulder which is a different type of injury.

 

Get X-rays and get a diagnosis.

 

Best of Luck. My ski season is on hold for about 3-4 more weeks while re-hab for strength and range of motion continues.

 

Mike

post #11 of 25
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Thanks guys have an appt with the orthopedist for tomorrow, shoulder specialist.  As you might imagine its worse today, practically immobile.   There is no discernible outward difference in appearance, nothing looks uneven or out of place, so I don't think there was a dislocation, I think its just soft tissue....to what degree I will have to wait and see.

post #12 of 25

IF it turns out to be an AC joint seperation.....

 

DO NOT!!!  I repeat this --- DO NOT!!!! carry 6 pack to car in uninjured hand, open car door and shift 6 pack to injured side and try to place  6 pack on passenger seat.

 

ask me how I know this---go ahead---ask!

 

post #13 of 25
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LOL....yeah my arm nearly tore out of my body when I tried to swing open the lodge door yesterday....today I cant even lift my arm high enough to reach a door handle so no worries.


Edited by Richie-Rich - Mon, 02 Feb 09 15:53:09 GMT
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Stayed home today.....flying high on Vicodin.....

post #15 of 25
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Well I spent the whole day yesterday stoned on pain killers...so things were OK.  Today I woke up and couldn't even move my arm.  Took some Aleve, which didn't alleve much, but as the day progressed things got looser. 

 

Went to a shoulder specialist today, he had me move my arms against his hands in a few different directions and took X-rays.  Good news is he does not think I tore anything nor did I break anything.  He said I probably just have a bad strain and had a subloxation.  I also found out that I have a congenital defect where a part that is normally fused in most people in my case isn't, its fairly common but at times can cause a person pain and in some instances has to be connected together via surgery....that explains why throughout my life I have had shoulder issues come and go (never like now of course).

 

So I just need to take it easy rest, ice, and pain killers.  So for the next few weeks or months no ski racing, and when I ski I am going to have to take it easy to not risk falling.

 

Thanks guys.

post #16 of 25

RR, glad you are OK.  Hey, did LI get any of that snow?

 

" New York may receive 4 inches of snow today across the five boroughs with larger amounts expected for Long Island." 

 

If I were there I'd challange you to a snowball fight
 Just kick back and use your good arm to hold a cold drink while chillin'.  Hope you are back in form soon


Edited by crgildart - Tue, 03 Feb 09 21:47:23 GMT
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Coming down hard as I type, supposed to snow into tomorrow. 

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Coming down hard as I type, supposed to snow into tomorrow. 

 

Good day to stay home.  Snow on LI sure is pretty, but it can really be a traffic cluster too.

post #19 of 25

Come on RR!  Your're not going to let a little thing like a busted up shoulder stop you from skiing are you?  A knee or a hip, I would understand, but a shoulder?

post #20 of 25
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Well I was going to compete in a SL and GS race this weekend, but since I cant get a good start and chances of me falling when going all out are high, I wont do it.

 

Pres. day weekend I already have a ski trip booked so I will ski then, but I will have to take it easy.

 

I'm down but I'm not out!!!

post #21 of 25

I agree there's not much point competing when so severely handicapped.  If you go freeskiing (which likely means more time skiing than if you go racing), just remember not to fall on that same shoulder.

post #22 of 25

It's a good thing you don't strap a ski to your shoulder!  Ski easy and smooooooooth.

post #23 of 25
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while trying to give some pointers to my brother in law to-be I was looking up the hill to see if he was doing what I told him, as I planted my pole my ski ran over it sending me flying through the air

This reminds me...  why don't we have signature lines anymore?  Is that in the works?

post #24 of 25

Rich,

 

Here is the key question we are all worried about...  FACE ok?????

 

Hope you are feeling better.  Take it a little easier.  I am reasonably sure neither of us will be world cuppers any time soon.  No big hurry.

 

Soemthing to think about...

 

You skied one race run for the season, slipped on 50 degree "ice" with your mega-ultra-giga-nano tuned skis, and banged yourself up pretty good.  While your unfortunate injury makes the point moot, an ASRA event after one day of NASTAR training might not be the best idea. 

 

Give youself some time on the sideline and then get back on the horse.

 

-Maxpax.

post #25 of 25

Ouch, good thing nothing is torn or out of place.  I tore my supraspinous last year in a GS practice (first time running gates too)  I skied and raced the rest of the day despite the pain, but like you experienced, I couldn't move my arm the next day.  It happened in early March, but it was the end of my season.

 

If it still hurts, I found cycling helped everything get stronger and eased the pain.  Road riding was no problem at all, mountain biking only hurt if I tried to pull up hard on the bars or when I crashed.

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