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post #1 of 80
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For the 4th time in 3 weeks, I've had a snowboarder take either myself or my student down on the hill!  I'm starting to get a little shell shocked!  These people don't even try to stop.  I always tell my students that if for some reason they can't stop and they think that they are going to run into somebody; to sit down on their skis and then roll to their side to stop.  The guys on the hill that I've had run in's with are college age kids and they're going about 25 - 35 mph. and they don't even try to stop.

 

Today I finally lost it!!!  I yelled at the guy that hit us!  I asked him if his car didn't  have breaks  if he would go for a drive on the highway?  He kinda looked at me a little funny

but I explained that he was basically doing the same thing on the hill by trying to ride on a hill that he had no business being on.  He apologized  with a smirk on his face and took off.  Fortunately, Ski Patrol had been watching because this guy had already plowed somebody else down at the top of the hill, so they kicked him off the hill.

 

I always tell my students about the skiers responsibility code at the beginning of the lesson, but these guys are going so fast that even if you look uphill before you go, they're on top of you in the blink of an eye!

 

I'm starting to feel like I have a target on my back.  Do any of you have any similar experiences and if so, how do you handle this at your area?

 


Edited by Snowmiser - Mon, 02 Feb 09 01:15:20 GMT
post #2 of 80

I quit skiing except for special occasions. 

post #3 of 80

In high school, I had a budy with a Dodge Super Bee equipped with a 383 Magnum engine.  He took it into Canadian tire and they tried to rip him off on a brake repair.  He ended up with the rear brakes in the trunk.  We still drove the car, despite the fact that we had no lisence plate or insurance and he had no driver's license.  The last time we drove it on the highway it took three tries to get it going slow enough to make the turn into his driveway.  I think we hit about 145 mph on Kinch Street ( a local back road) with those brakes and bald tires.

 

Anyway my soloution to not being hit by boarders, is be the fastest person on the slope.  It won't work too well with students though.


Edited by Ghost - Mon, 02 Feb 09 01:59:01 GMT
post #4 of 80
Thread Starter 

Good suggestion GHOST!  I was considering sharpening my poles too!  :D

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

I quit skiing except for special occasions. 

 

You are a special Occasion. =)


I guess instructors need to start teaching their students how to cross check the F-ers coming down the hill. Guy who taught me said if they gonna hit you, throw up your poles and take em on if there is nothing you can do.
Basically, make them pay for stupidity.

Boarders generally don't care. They are 16-20 year old kids who sit in the middle of the hill in front of hard turns or obstacles and pretty much try and get you hurt.
I watched a guy almost seriously get hurt trying to ski around a boarder who was right in the middle of the road down a black trail, probably the hardest on the hill. he lost a ski and slid backwards for about 25 feet and stopped in between 2 trees. The boarder never got up to help him, just sat there.

The trail is tough to take as it is, all the boarders go down it and scrape up the curves icing them up making it damn near impossible for the skiers to go down it cause of the ice. Better have no speed or some sharp ski's.

 

Not saying boarders are bad, but lots of them have bad ettiqutte. Some of them are great at boarding and have good ettiqutte. Maybe we should complement them for not being bozo's when we talk to them.

post #6 of 80

Oh good, I can't remember the last time we had a good snowboarder bashing thread. 

I'll see your 16-20  year olds sitting on the hill in front of hard turns, and raise you a heel edge clown scraping all the snow off the run.

 

 

 

post #7 of 80

Not as a snowboarder-basher, but I had one literally run over the tails of my skis last night while I was skiing.  I chased him down, and he explained that "if I didn't stop turning back and forth and going across the hill" that I was "definitely going to get run over".  He also explained to me that I needed to watch out for him (I was in front of him, he was straightlining from behind me).

 

His friends were cheering him on, and yelling in agreement.

 

The sad thing is, at that hill, he may be right.  Turning may be asking for someone to run over you from behind...

 

 

aaron

post #8 of 80

I got clocked - really clocked - for the first time I can remember earlier this year at the intersection near the top of the Lakeview lift at Mt. Rose.  Was skiing in behind some people (relative to uphill of the crossing trail) at the top of the Jetta run there.  A skier (?!?!) came speeding along the crossing trail, in between some of the others already standing there, and plowed in to me at full speed.  Knocked me right out of one of my skis (and the DIN on my bindings was set as high as it'll go).  It was really a pretty good shot, but I didn't get hurt at all.  He did stop further down the trail, and since I wasn't hurt, I just gave him the disapproving head wave.  Actually, I don't think he even asked if I was OK (can't really remember now) and he certainly didn't come back to check on me, though his female companion who was following did stop and help me get back together.

 

Did I react appropriately?  Should I have given him a beatdown?  Romanced his girlfriend?  Challenged him to a ski-off?  A dance-off?

post #9 of 80

In December, I was in a group with a skier my age, his daughter on a snowboard (her second time on a board, she's an accomplished skier), a young man on skis and a couple other young boarders, including my son. Before lunch, the girl ran over my skis, the young mans' skis, and her dad's skis. We started taking bets on whose gear she would run over next. She was just having one of those days.

 

Late in the day, though, a youngster about 13, not in our group, lost his board and it went whistling down the hill and drilled the girl's dad right in the side of the boot and knocked him off of his skis. He wasn't hurt, but he was so shaken up that he was done for the day. The ski patrol found out what happened and evidently sent the boy for some remedial training about leashes and such.

post #10 of 80

I don't know if I can beat the clown plow.
I bow to your clown plow. haha

 

 

I always hit the person in front of me after the lift, they like to stop when I'm still sliding before I herringbone up the hill, they are getting their poles ready, and I can't herringbone w/ poles for some reason, so i just hold on to them.
By hit i mean just put the tip of my ski on the back of theirs, or almost nose dive into their equipment trying to snow plow stop with no poles ready. Usually it ends up me doing a spread eagle and almost falling face first.  I'm busy watching the obsticales and forget to check in front of me. Ooops!

 

I still have yet to figure out why boarders think they are better then skiers.

They will sit in places like its no big deal. Specially right after you get off the lift, you have to manuver right away to get around them.
I have nothing against boarders, but damit, get outa my way. i dont have to sit on my ass to get down the hill. i'm ready to go off the lift!

post #11 of 80

I was hit pretty bad on Cornice at Kirkwood by a skier last month. I was hit by a border yesterday. There was a lot of traffic. I think he couldn't stop and couldn't turn.  Going faster seem to be the way to avoid being hit.


post #12 of 80

I've noticed boarders will get up near you and stay there so you can't turn, so your pretty much stuck at a speed you cannot controll, and if you try and speed up, they will too. that pisses me off, then i get frustrated and whipe out. =\

Should just check them and get them outa my way, haha.
Usually its a hot girl though, but she's there boarding with her boyfriend, not there to check me out.

post #13 of 80
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Usually its a hot girl though, but she's there boarding with her boyfriend, not there to check me out.

 

No reason you can't slow down and check her out.  Beats wiping out because someone nearby made you nervous.  Some woman did that near me once and then tried to get her husband-dude to kick my butt.  I LOL'd.

post #14 of 80

Had an (uphill) snowboarder run over the (downhill) tails of my skis.  We were under a chairlift at the time.  Just before we collided, I heard the peanut gallery above say, "Ooooh!"  And then "Oooh!" again when the snowboarder went down. 

 

In general, though, I'll pull over to the side if I think a run is too crowded.  Traffic seems to come in waves.  I can usually hear a snowboarder coming up behind me, and I'll take evasive action if necessary. 

 

But sometimes there's a lot of stupid on the hill.  I think instructors are probably especially vulnerable because they're focused on their students rather than the traffic. 

post #15 of 80

This is my 11 year old daughters knee after a snow boarder wiped her out night skiing last wed! I was infuriated and was about to raise my pole to jab him in the nuts when he started apologizing profusely. I told him he had better just go that I will handle it because this is my daughter and I cant even look at you right now with out bad thoughts. I told him next time stay clear of others at those speeds. The people on the chair were worse than me. They were all yelling at the guy. She said she was alright and the bruise never started till the next day. WOW There should be a rule with repeat offenders!! The patrols should get the persons name and if theres another collision buy the same person with in the season they should not be aloud to ski that hill until a mandatory min of 3hours proof of instructions by a certified instructor can be produced. 90% of boarders are out of control 50+% of time from what I see. They are going way to fast straight to be able to stop any time soon or falling all over the place! This should also apply for anyone not just boarders but skiers to.

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post #16 of 80

I am fortunate enough to be able to ski mostly through the week, every now and then I forget why I don't ski the weekends and head out. alot of days .Being that NC and ON the two places I ski the most have smaller hills then some of the other states and provinces they seem to build more skiiers per sq/ft then is comfortable. It seems the Resorts ability to move skiiers up the hill is much greater then the ability of the hill itself to get them back down (Collingwood Blue Mountain is a great example of this). These are the days I call survival skiing ,not from my questionable ability to ski down the runs but due to the vast numbers on the hills trying to run you down,keep up with friends,learning on the blacks , on a moderate traffic day I can ski around , under most other skiiers but on these really busy days I just stay away and go on a more enjoyable day


Edited by Old Boot - Mon, 02 Feb 09 13:06:39 GMT
post #17 of 80

That's scary as hell, whipper. I ski with my 9 year old daughter and am always worried that some dope is going to clobber her...I'd have the same reaction you did, put that pole to use. So many skiers and boarders just want their thrill and don't give a damn about anybody else, and they do seem to be concentrated around that 15-25 age group. Use a little kid as a speed bump, that's funny!

This is probably way much of a burden for any ski patrol, but how about keeping an eye out for anybody straightlining like a maniac, pulling them aside, and giving them a small talk/lecture about how they are responsible to watch out for slower people ahead of them? Get their pass number and let them know that they will be banned if they hit anybody from behind while going fast, possibly excepting somebody wandering in front of them from a side trail without looking. Maybe just being put on notice and knowing there is zero tolerance would make some difference, I don't know...maybe stuff like this already happens and I just don't know about it.

It's part of the skier's code..."People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them." It's just so obvious that it blows my mind to hear dummies say "You cut me off." Of course, slower skiers also need to remember, "Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others."

post #18 of 80

I take a really strong atheletic stance when I see them coming, (kind of a foot ball stance), drop that shoulder, clasp those wrists and make sure you're low.  They usually have no problem bouncing off me this way and so far, I've never been the one to get hurt.

post #19 of 80
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I take a really strong atheletic stance when I see them coming, (kind of a foot ball stance), drop that shoulder, clasp those wrists and make sure you're low.  They usually have no problem bouncing off me this way and so far, I've never been the one to get hurt.

That is great advice if you see them coming and you're an adult. I'm sure I could get hurt but I don't worry about myself very much, just my little girl. Funny, she used to ski too close to others when she was about 7 and was able to correct that...how come the big kids have such a problem with it??
 

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Usually its a hot girl though, but she's there boarding with her boyfriend, not there to check me out.

 

No reason you can't slow down and check her out.  Beats wiping out because someone nearby made you nervous.  Some woman did that near me once and then tried to get her husband-dude to kick my butt.  I LOL'd.


Well, usually what happens to me, is they end up next to me on a tight spot. And they start crowding me over to the side where I can't turn and stop. Snow plowing is out of the question at this point, specially considering I cannot snow plow at all. Screw the wedge, that crap is dumb. haha.
So it's either try and go faster or crash into them.
I haven't had it happen for a while, so I might be much better at the situation now being a better skier. It was during my first 2 times that stuff happened. Usually a novice boarder on the wrong hill. They should be on the more open hill till they learn to control their movement. Most of the boarders don't sweet side to side, they just dork around trying to jump stuff. Not many decent boarders at the hill, if they are there, they are not on the trail I was on at the time, they are over playing on the blue's, not a green. But most of the boarders, cause they suck, are on the greens.

[quote]Had an (uphill) snowboarder run over the (downhill) tails of my skis.  We were under a chairlift at the time.  Just before we collided, I heard the peanut gallery above say, "Ooooh!"  And then "Oooh!" again when the snowboarder went down. [/quote]
I LOVE to yell at the people off the lift. It's so fun. Answer their conversations. "dude, did you see josh?" and I'll say "no, I havn't seen josh."

The ooo's and aaaah are pretty funny though.

 

 

Whipper, that sucks man.
It is hard for kids to learn, and they are not as aware as us adults. They are busy trying to focus. Younger kids cut out in front of me constantly, they dont know any better. I almost took out a 4-6 year old, he didn't look, he just started going down without paying attention to me. Luckily I was just trying to start down the hill as well and planted the poles and about did the splits to stop myself.
He's got a long ways to go, me knocking him over isnt going to help him ski better.
I do get annoyed by younger ones a lot of times, they never seem to know where they are going, girls around the age of your daughter going down the hill, and they only know the wedge, and they seem a bit ... They can't really pick a direction. Being as I am no expert skier, I have a hard time getting around these people. I just slow down and wait and tell them where I'm comming.
Well, that's what I was told to do, if your going to pass somebody going slow, announce your comming.
I've only seen 1 or 2 boarders do this, and they were good boarders.


Old Boot, Skiing during the week is the only way to go. Weekends is when all the 1 time a winter skiers are there. They can't ski worth a damn. Atleast they go have fun and try, but holy crap!
Week days are the best, no college kids, well... not as many, and not a long wait.
We have a lot of hills here in michigan, so there are lots of weekday skiers as well.
 

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Originally Posted by lady_Salina View Post

I take a really strong atheletic stance when I see them coming, (kind of a foot ball stance), drop that shoulder, clasp those wrists and make sure you're low.  They usually have no problem bouncing off me this way and so far, I've never been the one to get hurt.


I just figured out how to multi quote.
Just move the box to the side and click quote. I duno if it whipes out your previous.... hmm should try.
Yes it does. Make sure you copy the rest of your message first and paste it in.

Anyways.
This is pretty much what I was told to do Salina. Put up the poles and take an aggressive stance and take them out.

I Kinda think of the boarders as the kids we picked on in high school that rode around on skate boards all the time. They think they are pretty badass, but they really are not.
The kids you knocked your buddy into in the hall way when he was riding around on his skate board.
 

post #21 of 80

The answer..........Alta

post #22 of 80

A couple thoughts fwiw

 

Ski defensively as you can (looking uphill, not stopping in the middle or below a lip etc - presume you already do this for the most part)

 

Ski somewhere there aren't a lot of these things happening at the time you go.  This includes maybe not skiing the bomber trails if you can avoid.  And going midweek and not at night.  These are things I really think about - what are the chances for collision and avoid them.  It's kind of sad but as the crowds happen you have to think about it.  Wear a helmet always.

 

Yell at them.  Every time.  Best defense is a good offense! ;)

 

Or along those lines you can do what my friend Dick does - he has a zone around him that if anyone comes in he levels em.  Take the initiative to protect your space .... That's a little extreme though IMO.  But it's a mentality I probably should have when it's crowded.  Him or me?  It's gonna be him that falls.  I'm 6-2 though so they tend to stay away anyway.

 

btw - a similar thing happened at Snowbird but it was a skier.  We were on a traverse and someone cut me off I mean really in front of me as he was overtaking me.  So as things levelled off and he slowed, I kicked it in and outskated/poled up and skied right in front of him across so he knew.  OK it may not have been the most kindhearted thing to do but I made my point. 

 

To everyone: If you do something like that at least acknowledge you did something wrong.  This person was oblivious though (middle aged also - not a teen or 20-something).  If the person had done this I wouldn't have tried to retaliate.

 

post #23 of 80
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Or along those lines you can do what my friend Dick does - he has a zone around him that if anyone comes in he levels em.  Take the initiative to protect your space .... That's a little extreme though IMO.  But it's a mentality I probably should have when it's crowded.  Him or me?  It's gonna be him that falls.  I'm 6-2 though so they tend to stay away anyway.

Dick sounds like the guy I want to go down the hill behind.

"clear a path dick!"
"you got it!"
 

you follow to see the carnage of 10 boarders and one skier in the bushes trying to get up.



To bad you cant just carry 10-15 poles on your back like a javalin quiver.
Just plant your pole hard between their ski's as they screw with you so they just hit it and fall over, grab another out of the quiver and keep going.


I guess you could always try and smack their binding release while they are sking. Thats pretty dangerous though.
Well all of it is. 
We should practice proper ettiqute, not Mr T style justice.

post #24 of 80
Thread Starter 

Wow, you guys are coming up with some great suggestions!!!  I especially like your idea Whipper about making a repeat offender take 3 hours of lessons!  :D

post #25 of 80

I always wondered why the gapers assume a tuck and stick their poles up and out behind them on the greens. Always assumed it was cos they were ar**holes. Having read this thread I have now realised they are just taking defensive measures to discourage snowboarders from coming too close behind.

 

In Val last year I got taken out by the same female skier twice in 200m. both times she hit me square in the back from behind. Totally out of control. Was an icy red and she couldnt hold a snowplough. She shouldnt have been on that slope. Shame she was too young and french, would have been a good excuse for a chat up

post #26 of 80

one I picked up from BW

 

When passing boarders or whoever on a traverse - click your poles behind you several times as you approach.  It helps them hear you and prepare a little.  I'll follow it with "on your left/right" as I approach closer.

 

Of course if a boarder try and pass on their front side (not the blind one).

post #27 of 80

Just to clarify she was standing still waiting for this guy to go by. Because her Friend was still making her way. I was at the top of the run waiting for them to get further down before i dropped in. The only thing i mentioned to her was to stand at the side of a run when your waiting for someone. It wasn't her fault at all because she was still only 15ft from the side of the run thats about 100ft wide! He had lots of room to go around. He said he caught an edge.  This is her 7th year of 40+ times a year with summer dry land also. She was waiting for a friend she was teaching how to ski powder that night. It wasn't that she was a kid why this happen. Just some one showing off using her as a pylon course.

     Just one more thing. I think ski etiquette is lacking these days. To many self taught boarders and skiers out there that haven't been taught the does and don ts like the way it used to be. I personally would like to see more old school etiquette brought back to the hill. Maybe its just little slogans hear and there at the lift lines? Like {if your tired stay to the out side of the run}. Stuff like that. {People arnt Pylons so carve with care be aware.} Ski within your ability stay in control. I would hate to see the ski bunny population diminish because fear of the ravage wolfs.


Edited by whipper - Mon, 02 Feb 09 23:20:17 GMT
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     Just one more thing. I think ski etiquette is lacking these days. To many self taught boarders and skiers out there that haven't been taught the does and don ts like the way it used to be. I personally would like to see more old school etiquette brought back to the hill. Maybe its just little slogans hear and there at the lift lines? Like {if your tired stay to the out side of the run}. Stuff like that. {People arnt Pylons so carve with care be aware.} Ski within your ability stay in control. I would hate to see the ski bunny population diminish because fear of the ravage wolfs.

 

That would be cool to see stuff like that on the poles everywhere, Just cheerfull reminders of ettiquette. Great Idea!!!

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The answer..........Alta

 

Not So! I was hit in the back and knocked way off the Ballroom Traverse 3 weeks ago (I'm 6'3" x 225). He went down, too, but was gone without checking if I was hurt before I could pick myself up. He must have been flying because the pain from my cracked ribs has just now abated enough that I don't need to continually pop Ibuprofen. BTW, I was also knocked down 6 years ago, again at Alta, and broke my collarbone. The guy stopped about 20' down the hill, but took off when he saw that I was injured.

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Originally Posted by Lucky View Post

The answer..........Alta

 

Not So! I was hit in the back and knocked way off the Ballroom Traverse 3 weeks ago (I'm 6'3" x 225). He went down, too, but was gone without checking if I was hurt before I could pick myself up. He must have been flying because the pain from my cracked ribs has just now abated enough that I don't need to continually pop Ibuprofen. BTW, I was also knocked down 6 years ago, again at Alta, and broke my collarbone. The guy stopped about 20' down the hill, but took off when he saw that I was injured.

 

Is CCW good at a ski hill?

shoot him in the ass as he gets away.

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