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Just Lucky, or Smart?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

 I ski 10-15 times per year since I was a kid and usually ski blacks and doubles in Utah. I prefer trees, bumps and anything not groomed.  I don't ski very fast (except on groomers getting me back to the lifts, and then usually less than 35 mph) but I do enjoy skiing terrain slightly above my paygrade. I am in my mid 40s and I always tell them level II for ski ability when skiing demos as I believe I may save my bones.  I cannot recall the last time I prerelased.  Am I just lucky or is this a reasonable strategy. Am I smarter to tell them III for higher DIN settings?  My specs, 5'11" 200lbs on Volkl Mantras 177cm.



post #2 of 10

If you haven't had pre-release issues then I see no good reason why to raise your DIN, however, based on your account of your skiing tendencies and ability you sound like you'd qualify as a Type III.  If it aint' broke don't fix it.

post #3 of 10

Skiing what you do, you are lucky you haven't pre-released. If you pre-release in the trees or the steeps, you can get hurt pretty badly. I always set at III+. 

post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 

So my luck ran out!  Pre-released under the lift on an easy black hitting a bump.  Fortunately my yard sale was into soft fluff (the only powder I found today). My DIN is now up to level III.  Thanks for the feedback 

post #5 of 10

I would recommend staying level II (or maybe moving your din up by 0.5)--kinda like a II.5


I remember thinking I would switch to III.  Then, I had this one slow twisting fall, where I felt that my knee was just about to pop, when miraculously, my bindings released just in the nick of time.  Do I pre-release from time to time in the moguls?  Yes.  Is it a big deal?  No.


If you're worried about pre-releasing in trees, just make sure you ski slowly and in control in the trees.  It should be fine.

post #6 of 10

If you pre-release in moguls, then I would not ski the trees. Most tree runs (at least where I ski) are bumped out. Even a low speed release in the trees could be very painful.


IMHO, if you pre-release, your bindings aren't set correctly.

post #7 of 10

Pre-release are bad, they can be very dangerous.  Just this morning I was skiing and about 100ft in front of me a guy made a short radius turn and blew out of one ski.  He took a nasty tumble, I stopped to assist and he was bleeding from the mouth (he bit into his tongue and will need stitches).  I gave him a hand and in looking at his rentals and asking a couple questions, he was set as a type II but was clearly skiing more aggressively than a type II.


Those setting work for the majority of skiers out there but you need to make a realistic assessment of your skiing.  Those level DO NOT equate to how well you ski, they are measures of aggressiveness vs. cautiousness.

post #8 of 10

High speed pre-release and I was going straight at the time

Edited by Lucky - Thu, 05 Feb 09 22:17:33 GMT
post #9 of 10
Originally Posted by seattle_sun View Post


IMHO, if you pre-release, your bindings aren't set correctly.


Sorry, but this is one of the largest and most dangerous myths in skiing.  DIN settings are based on the forces you are *likely* to generate based on the kind of skiing you do.  This does not mean that a level II skier will not occassionally generate enough force to cause a prerelease (which BTW usually is a result of improper technique), but what it does mean is that in a typical fall at typical level II speeds, there *will* be enough force generated for the binding to release.  Cranking your bindings up beyond your skiing style is asking to get hurt.


Prereleases are an occupational hazard of skiing.  Everyone experiences them--right on up to world-class racers.  Typically they occur because the ski gets overflexed, which is a technique issue, not a binding issue.  Bode Miller threw a shoe in the Lake Louise Super G when he got bent out of shape on a hard turn and lost ski contact with the snow.  Everyone else made it down with both skis still attached to their feet.  The point being, if you avoid putting your ski in a position where the forces generated are more than your binding can handle, you won't pre-release.  Yes, you can get badly hurt if you do pre-release, but you can get badly hurt if you don't release.  Pick your posion of course, but consider the liklihoods and consequences.  If you don't ski fast, a prerelease is likely to do less damage than a no release.  A bit tounge is painful, but a torn ACL will end your season.


Unless you are frequently pre-releasing in normal sking situations, you shouldn't mess with a DIN setting that works.  Additionally, if you start pre-releasing and your DIN setting has been working, and you haven't changed your skiing style, go get your binding tested.  It may be that the spring is starting to weaken so the binding DIN setting no longer corresponds to reality.

Edited by geoffda - Thu, 05 Feb 09 22:51:09 GMT

Edited by geoffda - Thu, 05 Feb 09 22:56:46 GMT

Edited by geoffda - Thu, 05 Feb 09 23:04:59 GMT
post #10 of 10

I've skied my share of bumps trees and steeps but I do not go for speed on anything that isn't groomed. Level II settings have never given me an unwanted release and never not released when they should. Caveat: now I always ski with look P or PX bindings. Maybe it's a myth that Look perform better in this regard - but it's one I believe.

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