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post #31 of 88
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

I concur with all these sentiments.  I do see how Huddler is a much stronger platform in the long run, but in the short run it's an incredibly weak forum system.  I'd love to hear that the Huddler team is listening and making it job #1 to get the forum features up to par as quickly as possible. 

 

Right now I just feel lost without a lot of those vBulletin features.  I can't do forum "things" nearly as efficiently and some things are now altogether impossible.  Bummer.

 

The Huddler (and EpicSki!) team is listening and making it job #1 to get the forum features added that people are requesting.

post #32 of 88
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
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I agree.   There are clearly a LOT of problems here!  Can we PLEASE have the old site back until they're all fixed?  Who was responsible for testing this?  I find it REALLY HARD TO BELIEVE that all of these issues were not noticed before the launch...?

I'm sorry, and I know this will upset people, but no, we cannot go back.

 

Many of these issues were noticed, but we elected to move forward, anyway, thinking that they were not show-stoppers. Some of the issues and the level of concern about some specific features and functions surprised us a lot. We did work on a number of items that seemed to be show-stoppers earlier, and eliminated them. However, we clearly did not see all of them, and did not understand the value that some placed on some of the functions.

 

We are tracking and prioritizing all input and changes will be coming.

post #33 of 88

This is a spell testing check...

 

This is what I see when I right-click on a misspelled word...

 


Looks like this is from the Google toolbar spell checker...



Edited by ssh - Mon, 02 Feb 09 06:19:52 GMT
post #34 of 88

This is what I see when I click on a spell check.

Yep, nothing!  It doesn't work, but it did before.  Steve, there were a lot of punch list items that the advisory group and moderators noted, and our concern to put them in place BEFORE launch was over-ruled.   I assume there was a good reason, and will respect that and defer to it, especially if you come clean with the reasons we had to punch out of V Bulletin and into the new forums by January 31. 

 

I don't agree you should defend the short-comings of the new platform by diminishing their importance to the members.  The reaction was predictable when the unfinished list of known things to do was long.  The Huddler team is working long hours and very diligently to deliver the functionality that we told them would be needed before we launched this move.  The members deserve an apology for the inconvenience during this transition, and understanding for their concern.  The passion is not a beat-down on EpicSki, but a genuine concern for something we all care a great deal about.  Those of us in a position to know the progress of updates are probably more at ease with the understanding that changes are indeed coming, and the inconveniences will be temporary.  What we are hearing in this thread is the question, why did we rush to push the new platform?  Its a reasonable question to which I don't know the answer.

 

 

 


Edited by Cirquerider - Mon, 02 Feb 09 07:36:42 GMT
post #35 of 88

Mark's post strikes me as very well considered.  I understand what Huddler gets from a quick move of a fairly busy site to their software, but I'm completely unsure of what epicski gets out of it.  The core functionality of epicski has been forums for longer than I've been around, and I suspect many here are totally confused as to why they've been forced into an experiment to see if some upstart can reinvent the wheel that is vBulletin.  As a supporter, I know I certainly wasn't informed about such a huge move.

 

Last week when this was sprung upon me, I instantly recognized that there would be  issues with the forum portions of the software.  I registered for a Huddler site and was horrified to find out just how feature-poor the forum software is.  Actually, the move has worked out better than I expected...but I'm not even slightly surprised that there are ongoing speed and reliability issues in addition to all the missing functionality.

 

I voiced some of those concerns before the move, but I assumed good faith.  I think in retrospect that assumption was unwise.   I wonder aloud now if there may be business relationships (investments or otherwise) between portions of the Epicski team and Huddler.  It smells funny, to say the least.


Edited by Garrett - Mon, 02 Feb 09 07:29:29 GMT
post #36 of 88
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

What we are hearing in this thread is the question, why did we rush to push the new platform?  Its a reasonable question to which I don't know the answer.


 

 

+1.  I know epicski isn't a democracy but a forced platform transition when many of the functionality issues were documented and ignored prior to the move?  I'd love to see the list of pre-launch show-stoppers.

post #37 of 88

For the record, I too miss every one of the features that others have brought up.

 

Honestly, I had higher hopes myself, and I'm a bit disappointed in the new look, feel, and functionality of the EpicSki forums at the moment. I know that there was a "beta" site with a few testers for a short time, and that several major issues and a few minor ones did get addressed. I think that the belief was that the site was "ready enough" for the next phase--going live. In retrospect, I think we could have waited longer. And I suspect that some of the suggestions and concerns of the testers should have been given more weight.

 

Nevertheless, here we are. We've got some good new stuff, with great potential, but a lot to work on. We have a great team, dedicated and capable of making it work. I urge everyone in the community that is EpicSki to continue to offer your feedback on everything--good or bad, big or small. I believe that the tech team will quickly re-prioritize its checklist according to the feedback we give them.

 

I know that the stated mission for the move was first, as much as possible, to keep the functionality and aesthetics of the forums, that we universally agree are the core of EpicSki. I don't think we've done that as well as we might have, and I'm eager to see the improvements over the next few days and weeks.

 

In any event, here's my quick list of features I miss so far. I consider them all important:

  • Members list
  • Who's on line? (List, and those "green dots")
  • Who's viewing what?
  • Post counts
  • Member location
  • How many viewers in each section and thread
  • Signature lines
  • Clean "avatarless" screen
  • EpicSki signature "brand" colors--with contrast and style options
  • Quote button (or ability to use codes)
  • Smiley shortcuts
  • Variable column width
  • Who is the newest member?
  • Multiple recipient PM's
  • Editing time limits
  • Small, unobtrusive "edited" notices (with a brief time window that required no notification)
  • Post preview
  • Easy font size changes
  • Font colors
  • Pages that reopen at the bottom--not the top--after submitting a post
  • Links that open in new windows by default
  • Moderator tools (so that our moderators can continue their awesome work!)
  • ...

 

Like others, I'm liking the bland, white look less and less. I regret that we have not (so far) retained the "branded" look and feel that are expected of EpicSki. (I'm particularly close to this, as my father-in-law was a pioneer in the field of branding and corporate identity. He was especially keen on the importance of color as a brand identifier, helping huge corporations spend mega-dollars to associate themselves with a particular hue. He was responsible for, among other things, the fact that we associate Coca-Cola with "red" almost as much as the famous logo itself, having designed the company's early corporate identity program many years ago. He spent the latter part of his career traveling the world as a design and corporate identity consultant. I spent some fascinating hours picking his brain about this stuff in the past few years. I know exactly what he'd say about this, if he were still alive!) The whitening of EpicSki is unattractive and hard on the eyes (in my opinion), but just as important, it wastes an asset of EpicSki that many companies would have spent enormous sums to create--a color that has become our "brand." Let's bring it back. Please?

 

None of these things on my list are exotic. All are just standard, expected features in Internet forums--and features that we had until last Friday. And I'm sure that all of them will be part of EpicSki once again. I can't wait!

 

Best regards,

Bob

 

PS--I rarely use spell check, but as it has come up as a problem, I just tried it. It seemed to work fine for me (although it wanted to change the very name of EpicSki!). Has this problem been addressed? If so, ... Yahoo--we're on the way!


Edited by Bob Barnes - Mon, 02 Feb 09 08:33:43 GMT
post #38 of 88
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

This is what I see when I click on a spell check.

Yep, nothing!  It doesn't work, but it did before.  Steve, there were a lot of punch list items that the advisory group and moderators noted, and our concern to put them in place BEFORE launch was over-ruled.   I assume there was a good reason, and will respect that and defer to it, especially if you come clean with the reasons we had to punch out of V Bulletin and into the new forums by January 31. 

 

I don't agree you should defend the short-comings of the new platform by diminishing their importance to the members.  The reaction was predictable when the unfinished list of known things to do was long.  The Huddler team is working long hours and very diligently to deliver the functionality that we told them would be needed before we launched this move.  The members deserve an apology for the inconvenience during this transition, and understanding for their concern.  The passion is not a beat-down on EpicSki, but a genuine concern for something we all care a great deal about.  Those of us in a position to know the progress of updates are probably more at ease with the understanding that changes are indeed coming, and the inconveniences will be temporary.  What we are hearing in this thread is the question, why did we rush to push the new platform?  Its a reasonable question to which I don't know the answer.

 

 

 


Edited by Cirquerider - Mon, 02 Feb 09 07:36:42 GMT

 Cirque,

 

I'm not sure if you are just playing devil's advocate here, or if this is genuine. Personally, I feel that it this genuine, and I applaud you, as a moderator, taking this stance which disagrees with so many others in your position.

 

 

 

post #39 of 88

Personally I miss you one thing for now... How to mark posts/threads/whole forum as read. It was pretty useful feature, which made me easier to see what's new and what's not. And since I don't read all threads, it was pretty cool.

Does this feature still exists and I just can't find it, or is it really gone?

Otherwise I really don't care how forum looks. Yes it looks different, but I will get used to new look, so this is not a problem.


Edited by primoz - Mon, 02 Feb 09 14:00:54 GMT
post #40 of 88

Firefox's built-in spellchecker is working now for me. (FFox 3.05, XP SP3 32-bit if it matters).

 

OK, 1 down. X to go.

post #41 of 88
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

Personally I miss you one thing for now... How to mark posts/threads/whole forum as read. It was pretty useful feature, which made me easier to see what's new and what's not. And since I don't read all threads, it was pretty cool.

Does this feature still exists and I just can't find it, or is it really gone?

Otherwise I really don't care how forum looks. Yes it looks different, but I will get used to new look, so this is not a problem.


Edited by primoz - Mon, 02 Feb 09 14:00:54 GMT

 

It looks like clicking on the "next unread" link at the forum level actually makes the forum read for me. I think this is likely a bug, but you might try it!

post #42 of 88
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

This is what I see when I click on a spell check.

Yep, nothing!  It doesn't work, but it did before.

Same here an a Mac and FireFox. Is there a preference for the Google Spellchecker to kick in as a workaround?

post #43 of 88
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post

This is what I see when I click on a spell check.

Yep, nothing!  It doesn't work, but it did before.

Same here an a Mac and FireFox. Is there a preference for the Google Spellchecker to kick in as a workaround?

I have no idea! I just noticed that I was able to see it. The preferences are in Tools | Add-ons | Google Toolbar | Preferences | Features | Spell Check

post #44 of 88
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Originally Posted by MarkXS View Post

Firefox's built-in spellchecker is working now for me. (FFox 3.05, XP SP3 32-bit if it matters).

 

OK, 1 down. X to go.

 

Nothing has been changed!

post #45 of 88
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Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
 

 Cirque,

 

I'm not sure if you are just playing devil's advocate here, or if this is genuine. Personally, I feel that it this genuine, and I applaud you, as a moderator, taking this stance which disagrees with so many others in your position.

 

 

 

 

That's how it is Kyle.  My thoughts and feelings about this are my own, and I have no problem if they don't fall in lock-step with some company line.   What ever excuses or defense might be offered, the reality is, everyone from Huddler to the owners is scrambling to get the changes into the code as quickly as possible. Making excuses about the inconveniences caused by missing features at the time of the move simply undermines the message of a real effort taking place to implement corrections.  It should have been right before we moved.  It matters, and that's why its getting done post-haste. We were, and are EpicSki members first.  Defending the faults of this platform, while at the same time scrambling to make changes is hypocritical and risks giving the perception that those of us trusted to be caretakers are at odds with the membership.  This is not admin and moderators against the members; we are on the same side of this.  Some of the statements earlier in this thread might not have given that impression.  We all want the same thing.

post #46 of 88
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
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Originally Posted by MarkXS View Post

Firefox's built-in spellchecker is working now for me. (FFox 3.05, XP SP3 32-bit if it matters).

 

OK, 1 down. X to go.

 

Nothing has been changed!

Something must have. Lots of us were reporting the spellchecker not working and now it is.

 

Hey, take credit for it anyway!

post #47 of 88

 

Edit: never mind what I posted in this post for about 30 seconds about the thread index at the bottom, Apparently I'm blind. Need more coffee


Edited by MarkXS - Mon, 02 Feb 09 16:22:17 GMT


Edited by MarkXS - Mon, 02 Feb 09 16:23:12 GMT
post #48 of 88
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Originally Posted by MarkXS View Post

 

Edit: never mind, I'm blind. :)


Edited by MarkXS - Mon, 02 Feb 09 16:22:17 GMT

 

Keep scrolling Mark, its there.  Look below this post.

post #49 of 88
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post

An indicator that shows that I've posted in a given thread.

+1.  I use the "All New Posts" button and before I could easily see the threads that interest me bc that's where I post.  Not having that feature is a major negative for me as I don't have the memory to remember where I've posted nor the time to figure it out every time I come to the site.

post #50 of 88
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post

I'm sorry, and I know this will upset people, but no, we cannot go back.

 

 

 

I'm really wondering how "we cannot go back" from ssh aligns with Bob Barnes' reply to my thread about business continuity and disaster recovery plans if this small internet startup Huddler.com tanks, like so many others have.

[quote=Bob Barnes]

Great post, Mark. I'm sure we all share the same concerns.

 

But you'll be happy to know that these issues were, indeed, discussed at great length, and they have been resolved to the satisfaction (delight is probably a better term!) of all parties.[/quote]

 

 

Bob says that contingency was planned for. Steve says "we can't go back".

 

IMHO as a 20+ year software engineering professional, this migration should have been done in a way that they could revert to the old platform within 24 hours. With no posts lost from either platform. There should have been, and should be right now, a daily export of all posts and membership data from the Huddler.com database (whatever it is) to a format that could be imported back into VBB. Obviously something like this had to have been created to go from VBB->Huddler in order for the 1-day migration we saw in the past week. I'm guessing that nobody thought to make it a requirement to develop it in a way that it could go in reverse.  Whereas they should have done so as a baseline requirement for migration, and that reverse migration export should be happening every single day, just in case it is needed.

 

Unless "we cannot go back" is not a technical description but rather a business statement that really reads as "suck it up, we're not going back, we've bet our money and ownership on Huddler and hope to get a big payoff when MicroYahoGoogle buys EpicHuddler".

 

If that's the case, just be straight with us, folks. You owe it to your community of members and supporters who never signed up for a "Product Review Platform" when we invested hours (years?) of our free time and our supporter dollars (meager though they are) to make EpicSki.com the wonderful community it has been for years.

 

If that's not the case, and "we cannot go back" is truly a technical constraint, then in my not-so-humble professional opinion, this precipitous migration was horribly planned and not up to any professional software engineering standards. You ALWAY have a backout plan, and have it ready to implement both for the "crash and burn" scenario (not what happened, thankfully), and also for the "users/customers almost totally reject the changes for not meeting their needs" scenario - which is exactly what happened here.

 

For examples of where bad premature migrations were done but backed out, Northwest Airlines about 1.5 years ago (when they were still independent), rolled out a totally new "prettyfied" reservation booking engine site within their overall site. It was a disaster - many valid fares didn't come up, search options didn't work right, award searches didn't work. After about a week of feedback from loyal NWA customers/FFers, including a huge feedback thread on Flyertalk.com, NW reverted to the old booking site for about 3 months while they addressed the problems. New version fixed rolled out again, and though some people had problems with different look-and-feel, everyone got used to it because all the functionality people needed was added/fixed, along with new "cooler" features. Continental Airlines did something similar about 2 years ago with a failed rollout and a partial revert. Both companies' initial rollout decisions were flawed, but they had a way to revert and were willing to do so temporarily, rather than the "hang tough" attitude we're getting here.

 

Huddler might be a much better platform for where the Epic Owners want to take their investment. It might even be potentially a better platform for the vast majority of Bears, once they build in the missing functionality we had in VBB. But right now it does not meet the needs of the membership, and though I do wish everyone involved well, it is increasingly clear that this rollout was a major mistake.


Edited by MarkXS - Wed, 04 Feb 09 04:04:11 GMT


Edited by MarkXS - Wed, 04 Feb 09 04:05:10 GMT


Edited by MarkXS - Wed, 04 Feb 09 04:08:42 GMT
post #51 of 88

Well put MarkXS

post #52 of 88

The old site was better.

 

I can't send a PM from my mailbox.

 

I need to wear glasses to read this stupidly small font. What's with the font?  Is epic just for kids?

post #53 of 88

BigE, for better viewing hold down the Ctrl key and scroll the mouse wheel forward, or ctrl and +.

 

Most of the administration has finally decided that greater contrast between posts and less white is a good idea.  Now we just have to convince the experts.

post #54 of 88
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post

Nothing has been changed!

Yes, actually they did update the editor, and were kind enough to let us know in a thread I posted about it.  Still not sure why I need to use an extra step to avoid functions my browser already has built in, but it is better than it was.

post #55 of 88

The change came after I posted that there had been no change, yet. It sure is a weird setup. I've been told that the editor's secondary menu has useful items for tables and photos, but I haven't tried it for that, yet... and my Google Toolbar secondary menu seems to overwrite the editor's.

 

Just weird.

post #56 of 88

I have noticed that there are a couple of issues which matter to me (and others) and aren't mentioned anywhere on the new Feature Development List

 

Signatures

 

Polling

 

post #57 of 88

Apologies - I'll add both momentarily. Just an oversight that they weren't posted as both have come up in various meetings.

 

Also, FWIW, we have retained all the previous poll result data also, so we should be able to get those back on line.

 

 

post #58 of 88

Sweet.

post #59 of 88

Still miss signatures and a decent size avatar....  really miss some sort of indication of whether or not I've posted in any given thread.... still wish the screen were generally darker...

 

...but I'm posting this to say thanks for providing something I've always wanted:  a new posts button at the bottom of the page.  I just figured out that the 'More Discussions' link is tantamount to same.  Cool!

post #60 of 88

I missed the who's online, glad it is back with #'s at the bottom.  Did anyone mention birthdays at the bottom?  Sorry if it has already been sugggested, didn't read the whole thread

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