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post #1 of 11
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I'm aware with inline skating; a big difference from skiing is the lead foot reversal. When I skate, I can rip rapid fire slalom turns with nice parallel shins all day long, as long as my inside foot is in front on the outside foot. Of course, skiing is the reverse. Skating with the inside foot behind the outside doesn't work like it does skiing. My question is: when skating, should I force my feet to reverse (as in skiing) and practice skating that way, or skate the way you're supposed to, and change back once I get back on snow? How do other skater / skiers approach this? Thanks.
post #2 of 11
Both my instructors(skate & ski) both say to just learn GOOD skate technique... the skills will transfer across to skiing .... just THINK HARD those first couple of turns or you go [img]redface.gif[/img]
post #3 of 11
Just my humble opinion: You cant skid on inline skates, neither can you carve. Plus you are 5 inches off the surface. Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt that it helps ones skiing.
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Biowulf .... have to disagree...

I'm a disabled skier - no proprioception... so I LEARN movement patterns... ie it should be WORSE for me to swap from 1 to the other as it is harder for me to adjust movements 'on the fly'


Start of last season I was actually skiing at a HIGHER level than I finished the season before... due to LOTS of inline skating the summer between... This was noticed by my instructors - but also by other instructors that know me well & take me skiing from time to time...
Enough so 1 >45 y.o. female instructor took it up & my (examiner) instructor was telling his students to skate in the summer

SURE the BEST training for skiing is SKIING (doh!)
but in the absence of snow & a budget that allows for year round skiing(anyone know a RICH old skiing guy for me?) the skating works well...

Sure they skid badly & yeah they don't have a true sidecut (but you can rocker the wheels) but the movement pattern required to perform a GOOD technical turn is still remarkably similar(especially through transition I discovered this summer)

The worst bit is the first few turns on either - as I have to remember what I am on again...
post #5 of 11
You said:

I'm aware with inline skating; a big difference from skiing is the lead foot reversal. When I skate, I can rip rapid fire slalom turns with nice parallel shins all day long, as long as my inside foot is in front on the outside foot. Of course, skiing is the reverse
I'm very surprised to hear that. I am not sure what you mean but I am not aware of any "lead foot reversal" in skiing. In both in-line skating and skiing the inside foot normally leads the outside foot. In other words, when I in-line skate, during the turn, my inside foot is in the lead. In normal free skiing, my inside foot leads during the turn. I am not an in-line skate instructor but, I have tried it and use it in the fall to assist with balance training. The skill transfer should be very high. I don't think you should be concerned about negative transfer from "lead reversal." May some other instructors will comment.
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Lou, Ya know....now that you mention it, you are absolutely right! I don't know what the heck I was thinking! I guess I have a bad habit of over-analyzing everything. Thanks for bringing me to my senses.

Biowolf, it sounds like you have never skated. On skates, there is no skidding...every turn is a carve. Try it and you'll instantly see the cross-over to skiing.
post #7 of 11
Skiing and in line skating are a great match for learning carved turns with the legs, use of the feet, edging skills. Subtle rotory skills, pressure mangement. I can not think of a better cross over. Carve turns DOWN HILL and it is just like skiing minus the lift ride back up!

Your comment about foot lead I am glad you corrected. In both the inside foot leads. The key I think is not to push it ahead or force it to lead. If you start even and head down the hill and just tip both feet and point the right leg to go right the rest will take care of itself. I do see good inline skaters do big leads and this does not translate well to skiing at all. Next time your out on your skates just go down a slight hill try to keep the feet even for the first 20 yards then just focus on tipping the right foot over allowing the upper leg to tip as well and don't worry about anything else. You will find the turns come easy and the outside skate will be pulled thru the turn with a gradualy pressure shift to the outside skate keep at this and your skiing will improve.
post #8 of 11
Todo - I am TAUGHT to have that tip lead by an IISA instructor (& it is in the skate books too).... (Yes rear knee tucks in behind lead one : )

With such a short base of support it is also the most stable position for crossing things like tram lines....

It causes me pretty much no problems for skiing - bar the first run or 2...

When I skate with legs next to each other I use less technical turning & it actually translates LESS well to my skiing - although it LOOKS closer...
post #9 of 11
Disski- I only skate for my skiing and have never taken a skating lesson so I will defer to your comments that it can translate but I know some very good in-line skaters and they often tend to have to big a lead while skiing as well (some don't) So maybe it depends on the individual. It just seems to me that you would be ingraining a movement that does not have a cross over application to skiing. I can see how it is an important element for in-line skating just not skiing.
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I just know what I am taught... but my skate instructor is an IISA accredited one... he also originally learnt to teach skating from a GOOD FRIEND of my ski instructor - who is also a ski instructor...as well as a skate instructor(I think IISA)

I know that I was taught originally with skiing in mind...

read the comments I wrote above though - skating TECHNICALLY in a skate correct manner does NOT cause me any real problems & I am the person most likely to carry that through - due to the way I learn movement(s)

I know that despite the fact I feel nervy & insecure on skates I apparently have good technique - the speed skaters at one of our locations kept trying to "steal" me - until my instructor explained to the ones he knows that SPEED is still not in my agenda (& why)

I could NOT say exactly why - but I know when I "cheat" & use a stance with feet even fore/aft the turns seem to translate less well to skiing...

According to skate book 30% weight on inside skates rear half 70% on full length of outside skate(learning parallel turns) - sound like a familiar weight distribution?

Then for "skating" (as in striding) they contact ground with recovery foot on outside edge & roll to inside - again does that sound familiar? etc etc etc...

All I can say is that my ski instructors are VERY happy with me skating as I am... they like the way it improves my skiing when I skate in the summer
post #11 of 11
Disski- Do what works, it sounds like you have some great coaching and a training track.

I have just now broke out my skates for this year, so not much milage this season. You asked the question on pressure distribution from foot to foot I really think varies on the size of the turn the steepnes on the hill and the speed I am going (which unfourtanitly is mostly dictated by the steepnes of the hill!). I will not argue your skate book description but I don't think of it that way for me I start out 50/50 and let the pressure go where it wants depending on all of the above. The only time I think about it is if I am doing some exercises like trying to be 100% on the outside or 100% on the inside skate. I do this just for an activity to improve balance, guiding and control of my movements.

I think any skating you do is better than none and all of it will benefit your skiing regardless of some movements that do not translate equally. Slaoim Water skiing you lean back and your feet are anything but parrell but it still has great cross over movements to skiing.

Disski- Just one point I never say the feet remain equally. The inside foot should and will always lead my comment was it just should not lead too much. For my point of thought anything more than a skate length is too much. I will play around on my skates this weekend and see if anything triggers! Thanks
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