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Is it possible to overwax skis ?

post #1 of 16
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Long story short. Had my skis sharpened and waxed at a local Sports Authority and took them out yesterday. Bought them last season and this was the first time I took them in to get waxed and edges done. Well to say the skis were squirrely is an understatement. They seemed to have a mind of their own, they wanted to slide left to right sometimes in areas of the hill that I know they did not previously.

I was thinking that maybe the wax was applied too thick, maybe keeping the edges slightly elevated if that makes sense or they might have smoothed out the edges. Well I checked the edges and they seem pretty sharp. Kind of stumped, anyone got any ideas?

Thanks,

Ryan
post #2 of 16
No.

They may have over-beveled your bases.....or you simply are not accustomed to well waxed skis.
post #3 of 16
^^^^ My thoughts exactly. ^^^^
post #4 of 16
When I was racing I used to wax the skis every day regardless of whether I used them or not. It definitely cannot hurt, the only negative is you may be wasting wax!
post #5 of 16
Can you define "squirrely" a little better?

I'm guessing that they did not de-tune the tips and tails of the skis or the edge may have a burr on it. While this isn't as important as it used to be it can change the feel of the ski. The edge will feel sharp- but what you are feeling is that burr.
post #6 of 16
Are they skittering around when you're trying to let them run flat? Might be bases aren't flat - turn em over and get a good straight edge / true bar to check for any convexity or concavity. If you find your bases aren't flat, time to get a grind.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Are they skittering around when you're trying to let them run flat? Might be bases aren't flat - turn em over and get a good straight edge / true bar to check for any convexity or concavity. If you find your bases aren't flat, time to get a grind.

This is a better way to describe what I was feeling. Really noticeable on the flats. I will check into what you are suggesting.

Thanks
post #8 of 16

Definitely take out convexity, 

 

Leave any concavity for a bit.  

 

I think newfydog has some thinking on that that is a bit further along than mine.


Edited by comprex - Sat, 31 Jan 09 18:09:05 GMT
post #9 of 16

If you tip them the edges will guide them along in a nice turn.  Just keep them tipped.

post #10 of 16

The most likely problem is that the shop that did your edges, did not tune to the right angles.  Typically you need somewhere between .5 to 1 degree of base edge bevel and somewhere between 1 and 2 degrees of side edge bevel.  And most importantly dulled (detuned)  I would take them back to the shop, explain your concerns and make them tune them again. 

 

You can never over wax a ski :)

post #11 of 16
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I would take them back to the shop, explain your concerns and make them tune them again. 

 


 

Don't take them back to the same butcher.  Take them to a real ski shop.

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by SJB View Post
Can you define "squirrely" a little better?

I'm guessing that they did not de-tune the tips and tails of the skis or the edge may have a burr on it. While this isn't as important as it used to be it can change the feel of the ski. The edge will feel sharp- but what you are feeling is that burr.


This was my first thought also.  I had a freshly tuned pair of skis a few years ago and I was "Elvising" any time I tried to go straight.  I detuned the tips and tails and the problem went away.  You may want to check if they have been detuned and, if not, try this first.  This assumes that the bases are flat and not messed up.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by rvf View Post
...They seemed to have a mind of their own, they wanted to slide left to right sometimes in areas of the hill that I know they did not previously. 

... Well I checked the edges and they seem pretty sharp. Kind of stumped, anyone got any ideas?

Thanks,

Ryan
 

 

I'm no expert but I would blame technique based on having something similar happen to me.  One night my ski tip started to slip out as I initiated a turn; turn left -rigth ski tip would slip.  I first blamed my lousy tune job.  Then I remembered that "I" did the tuning so now way could it be that .  I checked out my skis at the bench the mountain provides and everything was fine.  Next run I leaned further forward and the ski slip went away.  My skis are a 1 base and 3 side - no detuning.

I was slipping because my weight was off the tails but not comitted to the tip.  Try again leaning forward more.


 


Edited by L&AirC - Tue, 03 Feb 09 17:43:44 GMT


Edited by L&AirC - Tue, 03 Feb 09 17:44:32 GMT
post #14 of 16

OP, have these been fixed yet.

 

Sounds to me like the skis could be railed. Take them to a real ski shop and have them checked. If they tell you the tune was bad ask the first shop for your money back.

 

BTW you don't de-tune a shaped ski.

 

 

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

OP, have these been fixed yet.

 

Sounds to me like the skis could be railed. Take them to a real ski shop and have them checked. If they tell you the tune was bad ask the first shop for your money back.

 

BTW you don't de-tune a shaped ski.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks all for the suggestions.  I have not got back on them yet.  I am going to Colorado this weekend for a few days of skiing and am going to demo while out there.  I will have them looked at by another shop in town.  Really don't think that this is a technique problem or not being used to freshly waxes skis, I hope :).  I have about 20 days on these skis and this was totally out of the ordinary compared to the first 19 days.

 

Ryan

post #16 of 16

I would say that your base bevel is probably too high.  My experience with sports authority is they tend to over-bevel the base angles.  Last year, I took up racing and brought my skis in for a tune.  When I got them back, I measured the base angles on them and found they were 2 degrees!!!!  I ended up taking them to Joe's ski shop and getting those set to 0.5 degrees.

 

Some people said they might not be de-tuned at the tails and tip.  I'd argue the opposite.  If the tails and tips weren't de-tuned, you would have a problem with the ski being too "hooky", not squirrely.

 

It's possible there's just too much wax on it that didn't get scraped off, which would cause the edges to be off the snow a bit and make them feel squirrely.  You can check this easily by looking at the bases to see if the transition where the base meets the edge is smooth.  If this is the case, then you can just get them scraped better, brush the excess wax off, or keep skiing with it until the excess wax gets skiied off.

 

 

 

 

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