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post #61 of 66
Great point, altagirl, on sisterhood programs!
post #62 of 66

Can a male teach the sisterhood type program? I assume you would suggest this would disrupt what is going on. I'm not being a wise guy. I'm honestly asking the question.

One of my problems in years past has been very simple. It is dead at Eldora mid week in January and February. The female instructors were getting two lavish meals and a full days work on two mid week days. The guys were starving.....no food and no work. The program is twenty days of mid week work at a slow time.

For two years I felt pretty lousy on tuesday and wednesday. It seemed a little unfair to exclude me from working based upon my gender.

Those were my honest feelings. I'm not real sure thats the way employment is supposed to be in this great country of ours.
post #63 of 66
Vera, nolo, altagirl --- great points.

This topic came up on the Fear thread, too, and I'm afraid I'm just repeating what I said there: I think there's a role for male instructors in all-women groups, but that it's important that the participants be made aware that the instructor could be male, so that they get a choice.

Personally, I've only ever been in mixed groups, except for one day which by accident turned out to be all-women learners with a male instructor. I found it a great boon that the other participants were like me in terms of ability, age and learning goals, but it didn't matter to me whether they were women or men. Similarly, if an instructor can improve my skiing I don't care whether it's a man or a woman.

Having said that: (1) based on a small sample (5 or so different instructors/classes), women tend to have more similar learning goals to mine (very technique-focused, as opposed to trying to ski harder slopes); (2) one woman dropped out of the ski class I described above specifically because she was tired of the stupid sex jokes that the male ski instructor would crack on the lifts.

So sometimes gender can factor into things --- it depends a lot on the person. I agree with Vera that we can't make generalizations. On the other hand, I feel for Rusty Guy's predicament. I think it should be up to the women skiing to choose whether they want a woman or a man to teach them, but if they're signing up for an all-women's group, there's a better chance than average that it will actually matter what the sex of the instructor is.

Meanwhile, a helpful epicski person pointed me to some great-looking ski clinics, either co-ed or women's, taught by a couple of world class female skiers, at Ski Escape. Great!
post #64 of 66
I don't think gender matters as much as attitude and personality. I'm sure there are some women that wouldn't do a very good job of running a "sisterhood" type of event - I think it almost has to be in your nature to be the type that is good at helping people relax and enjoy themselves and can easily build a rapport with a group. (Which would be different than building trust and confidence which IMO would be more important for a "breakthrough" type group.) I don't think instructors should be excluded from teaching clinics based on gender - but chosen for their ability to provide the atmosphere the clients are looking for.

[ January 22, 2003, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: altagirl ]
post #65 of 66

Well said. I'm done with week two. I think a few of my students are lurking here and may chime in. We have had several very frank discussions about the issues discussed here.

Both groups are filled with new skiers. I've done some things well and other things poorly. We are communicating as a group via e-mail as well as individually. The Tuesday group got a little tired and kinda crashed after lunch. In addition, I have to say I didn't give the group enough time on tuesday to simply ski. There was too much info/technique tossed their way and not enough time to be left alone to practice. I wrote a message to the Tuesday group and told them I blew it. I explained my responsibility to pace the lesson and to garner feedback about how everyone was feeling.

I did a better job of pacing today and the Wednesday group really did well.

Both groups of women seem happy.....they say they are. Both groups have boundless enthusiasm. The skiing is improving. Smiles abound all around. It seems to be going great. I hope a few of the participants will use this forum to provide open honest feedback. Pick a name to log in with and let it rip if I'm not telling it like it is.

I want this entire process to be a learning experience for me. One important point to mention is that I have a new-hire shadowing the process who is a young lady that recently graduated from college. So.....there is a female instructor present! I suppose I'm mentoring her a bit. She is a very good skier and has a tremendous desire to teach. She was initially hired and trained by Bob Barnes so she certainly got off to a good start. She has done a wonderful job of knowing just when to jump in and handle the group in the event I get tied up helping an individual student. Her help has been great.

I have the luxery of ten weeks with these wonderful students. My hope is that they emerge from the process with strong skiing skills, a love for the sport, and a desire to continue learning.
post #66 of 66
I particularly agree with what was said by LisaMarie and Altagirl.
I've never done a women's only programme myself; my masters groups and SS training groups have always been mixed; sometimes I'm the only girl. but if anyone read my opus in the recent Fear thread, I think that in general, men and women do approach skiing and learning to ski differently. In a women's group, the women have the opportunity to do it 'their way'.
When skiing with mixed groups, I always hang back, and bring up the rear. I hate being in the midst of a bunch of mad loony competitive skiiers. But if we are following someone, my approach means I can't see what the leader is doing, and I invariably miss the first bit of talking that happens when they stop.

As I was leaving Keystone last season, feeling slightly disgruntled at the lack of appreciation, one of the senior female instructors tried to get me to return this year and join in teaching the womens programme. If only someone had asked me a few days earlier! That was all the appreciation I'd have needed.
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