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On the Alta and Snowbird websites I'm seeing messages that say snow tires are required on all vehicles entering the canyon. Is this accurate or enforced?
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Originally Posted by ed_d View Post
On the Alta and Snowbird websites I'm seeing messages that say snow tires are required on all vehicles entering the canyon. Is this accurate or enforced?
No. You probably will need 4wd a lot of the time, though.
post #3 of 18
I've seen it enforced on rare occasions. If you see a Sheriff parked at the mouth of the canyon next to the bus stop, he's checking.



Michael
post #4 of 18
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I've seen it enforced on rare occasions. If you see a Sheriff parked at the mouth of the canyon next to the bus stop, he's checking....
...to make sure you have 4WD.

I've gone through the above situation many times and have never been turned down.

Is it even possible to chech for snow tires in a situation like that?
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Originally Posted by ed_d View Post
On the Alta and Snowbird websites I'm seeing messages that say snow tires are required on all vehicles entering the canyon. Is this accurate or enforced?
Yes it is accurate and enforced. I know people who have been stopped by the sheriff to check for snow tires. IMHO, don't even think about going up the canyon if you don't have 4WD, chains suck.

After my trip of the canyon today, I'm changing my previous advice to out of state visitors, TAKE THE DAMN BUS! PLEASE!!

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I've gone through the above situation many times and have never been turned down.
Good thing you didn't cause a reck.

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Is it even possible to chech for snow tires in a situation like that?
YES, it is. They will and do stop people to check.

IMHO, do NOT drive up the canyon if you don't have snow tires and 4WD.
post #6 of 18
They must have just started checking this year then, 'cause I've never been stopped w/ 4wd and chains in the back (and I've never had to put them on - at least not for LCC).

As far as wrecking is concerned, I think not driving like an idiot is far safer than sporting Nokians or something.

..and to be honest, I've usually headed up really early before they close the road.
post #7 of 18
i got stuck last season going to Alta at 5am to beat the avy closure.

i have 4wd.

problem was the snow was deep and as we rounded a corner on one of the steeper portions of the road there was a food supply semi stalled out in the right lane. Bushwacker was in front of me and he slowed down enough that i had to slow down so as not to ram him, which busted my momentum and i got stuck.

it was pretty funny as there was a whole convoy behind me and within seconds of me stopping there were about 6 big, scary bearded locals pounding on my window yelling at me to get the f@#k out of the way. when i explained that i was stuck, their tone changed and 6 more guys appeared, lifted the rear of my truck and pushed me on my way.

so, i would say that having snow tires, 4wd and a dozen bearded locals is mandatory when driving up the LCC roads during a flurry.

that said, from a Tahoe perspective, they are crazy about chain control out here. this past weekend, with just wet snow and slush for the most part, they were making sure everybody had chains or 4wd. Granted when you got on the freeway the CalTrans guy would look at you truck, hold up 4 fingers and shrug (all you had to do was nod your head). but they do stop you if you're a sedan or passenger car. additionally, they plow something serious. i was behind 3 plows on the way over the summit Sunday afternoon and coming the other way were another 4. this is in comparison to 14 days in Summit County last season where it dumped every other day and i never once saw a plow (but i saw plenty of accidents due to the roads not being plowed). Not sure why one state is plow crazy and the other is not, but i find it interesting nonetheless.
post #8 of 18
I have driven my 2 door honda accord up and down LCC with chains on the tires with no problems. My only problem with the chains is they are a PITA to put on the tires. I did have my driver's side windshield wiper break on me when trying to get down from Alta in the middle of a storm last year. That was a mess. Having to periodically roll down your window in a snow storm to reach your hand out with a wiper blade in it just so you can see where you are going is not my idea of fun.

Last year while driving up to Brighton, I was stopped by HP and told I could not go up the road without chains. The road was wet, not snow covered, WET. I was pissed and ended up driving 10 mph up BCC with chains on a wet road. I needed new tires when I got home.
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from a Tahoe perspective, they are crazy about chain control out here. this past weekend, with just wet snow and slush for the most part, they were making sure everybody had chains or 4wd.
I have found that CalTrans puts up a chain restriction (often enforced on 4WD as well) as soon as there are flurries in the air. Last year while driving to Mammoth I got caught on 395 behind a large group of cars (most SUVs) going no more than 20 mph with chains on their tires. I could still see the white dotted lines between the lanes and everyone was chaining up. Unbelieveable.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by ed_d View Post
On the Alta and Snowbird websites I'm seeing messages that say snow tires are required on all vehicles entering the canyon. Is this accurate or enforced?

From the Alta website:

"It is required by state law that you carry chains in your vehicle or have snowtires on the vehicle from November 1st through May 1st."

If you don't have snowtires on your vehicle you are supposed to carry chains.

On days when it isn't storming they're not going to waste their time checking to see if you have snowtires on or chains in your trunk. Never seen it happen in 35 years of driving up LCC.

But... if you end up at the top of the canyon in a 2wd vehicle with no chains and a big storm hits, you could be screwed (and rightly so! )
post #11 of 18
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if you end up at the top of the canyon in a 2wd vehicle with no chains and a big storm hits, you could be screwed (and rightly so! )
yes.

AWD is also generally ok. snowtires have been a reaaaaally big help for me on LCC road...
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
i got stuck last season going to Alta at 5am to beat the avy closure.

i have 4wd.

problem was the snow was deep and as we rounded a corner on one of the steeper portions of the road there was a food supply semi stalled out in the right lane. Bushwacker was in front of me and he slowed down enough that i had to slow down so as not to ram him, which busted my momentum and i got stuck.

it was pretty funny as there was a whole convoy behind me and within seconds of me stopping there were about 6 big, scary bearded locals pounding on my window yelling at me to get the f@#k out of the way. when i explained that i was stuck, their tone changed and 6 more guys appeared, lifted the rear of my truck and pushed me on my way.

so, i would say that having snow tires, 4wd and a dozen bearded locals is mandatory when driving up the LCC roads during a flurry.

that said, from a Tahoe perspective, they are crazy about chain control out here. this past weekend, with just wet snow and slush for the most part, they were making sure everybody had chains or 4wd. Granted when you got on the freeway the CalTrans guy would look at you truck, hold up 4 fingers and shrug (all you had to do was nod your head). but they do stop you if you're a sedan or passenger car. additionally, they plow something serious. i was behind 3 plows on the way over the summit Sunday afternoon and coming the other way were another 4. this is in comparison to 14 days in Summit County last season where it dumped every other day and i never once saw a plow (but i saw plenty of accidents due to the roads not being plowed). Not sure why one state is plow crazy and the other is not, but i find it interesting nonetheless.

funny who got going again and who got stuck?

not really my fault though that delivery truck shouldnt off been there.

So 2wd and chain is better than 4wd and all season.


FYI they never check for snowtires which is bullshit when they are checking for chains.
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
FYI they never check for snowtires (snip)
They do. I know somebody who had the sheriff check their tires. Maybe it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
post #14 of 18
Are they checking for the "M+S" stamp on the sidewalls or do they have some other definition of "snow tires"? Reason for asking, the tires on my new AWD Ford Edge have the "M+S" on them but sure don't look very aggresive - I'd swap them for something more serious if I was going to be navigating the UT canyons on a regular basis.
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I know somebody who met Jim Morrison ten years ago in the Ashland Post Office.

 

 

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
 i would say that having snow tires, 4wd and a dozen bearded locals is mandatory when driving up the LCC roads during a flurry.

 

 

That's pretty much the funniest thing I've read in a long time.  

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I've been driving up LCC for over 25 years now, and have never once been stopped or checked for chains or snowtires.  Hell, I've never even owned a set of chains or snow tires.  Four of those 25 years I owned 4WD Pathfinders, but for the past 7 years, I've just been driving up in my Camry.  But I'm also smart enough to pick my days...I only go up on weekdays when the weather is nice.  Wouldn't take the Camry up if there's supposed to be a storm coming.  Went up a few weeks ago in my buddy's Denali, and it was such a raging storm that we were sliding even in that vehicle.  You just gotta be smart about it, and know your limits.

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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
from a Tahoe perspective, they are crazy about chain control out here. this past weekend, with just wet snow and slush for the most part, they were making sure everybody had chains or 4wd.
I have found that CalTrans puts up a chain restriction (often enforced on 4WD as well) as soon as there are flurries in the air. Last year while driving to Mammoth I got caught on 395 behind a large group of cars (most SUVs) going no more than 20 mph with chains on their tires. I could still see the white dotted lines between the lanes and everyone was chaining up. Unbelieveable.


 

Wow really? Chains on a dry road? I would be so mad, that is going to ruin your tires in a hurry. Driving around B.C/Alberta, I don't think I've ever seen chains/winter tires enforced, there are signs saying you have to have winter tires or chains Nov1-Apr1 but I've never seen enforcement. I've heard of them enforcing it on the Sea to Sky since people from the lower mainland cannot handle driving in snow . I drive a FWD sedan (5 speed Camry)and this is the first year I've had winter tires (cheap ones, but studded) and it makes a huge difference, most importantly in braking and traction when starting from a dead stop. That said, I made it through Roger's Pass in a couple huge storms last season on all seasons but it was sketchy and pretty stupid to attempt late at night.

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