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post #1 of 17
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This year has been finally generous for the Italian Powder addicts.
Here I post some action of me (wearing all black) and friends in Cavalese and S. Martino di Castrozza.









































These pics were taken last weekend.
post #2 of 17
Nice!
post #3 of 17
These are fantastic pics! I like the fifth one down the best. Tell us about the trip, if you don't mind doing so.
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi,
let's talk about the trip. The area is relatively close to my hometown in Italy. S. Martino di Castrozza is a village situated in a very narrow vally, crowned by some beautiful mountains, between which the famous 'Pale (Italian for shovel) di S. Martino. the ski area is relatively big, well served and often the groomers are really poorly maintained. For the Backcountry it offers a lot of nice terrain, especially in extraordinary snow conditions like this year.
The first Pictures were instead taken in Cavalese's Cermis resort, which is famous also for its gondola that was taken down by an U.S. Army jet, whose pilots tried to pass under the cables. Apart from that historic background the Val di Fiemme's village is very old, and still host one of the oldest post-greek democratic institution, the "casa della magnifica comunità" (house of the great community) which was the governance center of the valley in 1100 b.c.. The valley is relatively wide, and it is closed south by the Lagorai mountains. The ski area is relatively little, and the backcountry terrain is less vary, but offers safer steeper areas than S. Martino.
I must add that in Italy backcountry is forbidden, in theory, everywhere, and there is no patrolling of backcountry areas.
Hey Bob, wanna try those?
post #5 of 17
Awesome, nice snow! va' bene'
post #6 of 17
All that and good food too...
post #7 of 17
Nice work!
post #8 of 17
Looks beatiful out there! Keep the reports coming.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by tommyjif View Post
Hi,
let's talk about the trip. The area is relatively close to my hometown in Italy. S. Martino di Castrozza is a village situated in a very narrow vally, crowned by some beautiful mountains, between which the famous 'Pale (Italian for shovel) di S. Martino. the ski area is relatively big, well served and often the groomers are really poorly maintained. For the Backcountry it offers a lot of nice terrain, especially in extraordinary snow conditions like this year.
The first Pictures were instead taken in Cavalese's Cermis resort, which is famous also for its gondola that was taken down by an U.S. Army jet, whose pilots tried to pass under the cables. Apart from that historic background the Val di Fiemme's village is very old, and still host one of the oldest post-greek democratic institution, the "casa della magnifica comunità" (house of the great community) which was the governance center of the valley in 1100 b.c.. The valley is relatively wide, and it is closed south by the Lagorai mountains. The ski area is relatively little, and the backcountry terrain is less vary, but offers safer steeper areas than S. Martino.
I must add that in Italy backcountry is forbidden, in theory, everywhere, and there is no patrolling of backcountry areas.
Hey Bob, wanna try those?
Is that on the Selle Ronde (sp?)? Looks like it's not far from Cortina and Arabba, where I used to ski a lot.

Btw, my father was on the Court Martial of that pilot. I don't think it was Army, maybe Air Force or Navy. I'm pretty sure the plane was a P3... We were skiing at St. Anton when that happened.
post #10 of 17
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Is that on the Selle Ronde (sp?)? Looks like it's not far from Cortina and Arabba, where I used to ski a lot.

Btw, my father was on the Court Martial of that pilot. I don't think it was Army, maybe Air Force or Navy. I'm pretty sure the plane was a P3... We were skiing at St. Anton when that happened.
yeah, it is relatively close to the "sella ronda". They are within the dolomitisuperski area too. I used the qualification U.S. Army generically, and I thought it to be also all inclusive.

O.T.:
I hope your father was on the dissenting opinion of that martial court
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by tommyjif View Post
Hi,
I must add that in Italy backcountry is forbidden, in theory, everywhere, and there is no patrolling of backcountry areas.
That's not exactly true, though it might be the case at some areas I've not skied.

Every Italian resort I've ever skied at allows backcountry skiing at skier's own risk, except when there is extreme avalanche danger, and even then things are up for debate.

Of course there's no patrolling of backcountry areas (there's no patrolling, as US skiers would recognize it, on piste, either), but there isn't patrolling (in the sense of ski patrol) in the backcountry in North America either.
post #12 of 17
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That's not exactly true, though it might be the case at some areas I've not skied.

Every Italian resort I've ever skied at allows backcountry skiing at skier's own risk, except when there is extreme avalanche danger, and even then things are up for debate.

Of course there's no patrolling of backcountry areas (there's no patrolling, as US skiers would recognize it, on piste, either), but there isn't patrolling (in the sense of ski patrol) in the backcountry in North America either.


Seconded, otherwise we'd all be fined or arrested for skiing Canalone, Camosci, Cavallina, Angeloga and the likes.
Still, skiing off-piste at many areas its kind of frown upon. Not that there aren't places where one can ski off piste, in fact there are many (one, very easy and famous above all, the Mittagstal on the Sella Ronda).
And with the press "pushing" for sensationalism this year as well, lashes are being tightened...In Piedmont it's been passed a regional law making it compulsory to carry the three main safety pieces (APS in Italian, ARVA, Pala, Sonda : ART avalanche rescue transceivers, shovel and probe) of AT skiing...which makes everyone skiing offpiste, even near a run, passible of fines if not equipped in such a way (again, everything it's up for debate).
In some Italian forum, people are starting to report Police fining them, or attempting to or witnessing such fining, for skiing off-piste at resort w/o the necessary AT equipment (the three above plus skins and AT bindings). All this is unconfirmed, but the main idea that I've made for myself is that it's the usual Italian mess...anyway, at Made, there's a Police station mid mountain and no one that I know of has ever been fined to ski off-piste.

As for "opened for debate" here's the proof :
Last Saturday the lifties were closing the Canalone (it was mid morning by the time they opened the tram the previous day it had snowed), roping it off and still people were "happily" ignoring that.
After a couple of hours, the area was "officially" declared "opened (the Avalanche danger signs were removed)
The only effective way to close that run is to close the access tram to it. And they do that in case of really bad weather and high avalanche risk.

As for the "Cavalese affair" , it was a Marines A6 (EA-6B) Prowler (4 ppl crew).
post #13 of 17
Though they have successfully closed the Canale twice over the past year, even with the tram open. They just don't want to work hard enough to enforce. It's police, not ski patrol, so they don't really care.

Incidentally, that mid-mountain police station is where the cop "busted" me for "stealing" his poles!

I'm going up tonight!
post #14 of 17
You going up tonight!?!
Good for you, you missed last week end, it's only fair.
post #15 of 17
BTW, re post 1 of this thread, pictures 1 and 2...
Are the guys depicted there ski instructors?
I "see" a badge on their breast and shoulder which could indicate so, but the quality isn't high enough to zoom in and read it.

(Thanks for the stoke, btw)
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by tommyjif View Post
yeah, it is relatively close to the "sella ronda". They are within the dolomitisuperski area too. I used the qualification U.S. Army generically, and I thought it to be also all inclusive.

O.T.:
I hope your father was on the dissenting opinion of that martial court
That's a good question, I don't actually know. It's been quite a few years now, but I remember that the gist was that the pilot claimed he didn't see the wire / know it was there, but that my dad told me he was definitely aware, and was trying to be a hotshot and fly under it (which resulted in him killing a bunch of people).

So I'm guessing he either dissented, or the guy got off on a technicality. Or maybe the prosecution just couldn't "prove" it beyond a reasonable doubt.

I can tell all kind of great air force crash stories. Like the time an F16 pilot crashed his plane over Bosnia because he got distracted while peeing, but they officially ruled it equipment malfunction.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 

 Yes, they are ski instructors.  In the Pics they are telemarking, and the guy is a national demonstrator of telemark . Also my other friend with the light blue jacket is a ski instructor.

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